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[–] grue 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This article is vastly understating the potential benefits of e-bikes. Like-for-like replacements for car trips are only the tip of the iceberg; the real benefit of e-bikes is that the more people that use them, the less car parking we need. That means we can put back all those buildings we destroyed when we razed our cities for the car.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fuck more buildings....make parking lots into parks and green spaces

[–] jonkenator 22 points 1 year ago

Why not both? More housing and more parks. Win win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

We need more lanes. Just one more lane and we'll be done with trafic, I swear!1!!one!1!1!

[–] daltotron 3 points 1 year ago

that's kind of assumed to happen if you packed people into tighter and tighter densities

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget you can ride a mile or two to the train station and get around like that.

Even if you have a bike in town and one at home. Two bikes are cheaper than 1 car and more space efficient.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If everyone had an ebike, getting on and off the train would be a complete pain in the ass. I guess if there were lock boxes it might be OK, but hundreds of people trying to get their bike on a train would be a nightmare

[–] pirat 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Many urban-suburban trains, and even some regional trains, have entire cars dedicated for bicycles, with no (or only few) seats. This is very scalable on multiple scales, when the demand is growing:

  1. Adding more bicycle cars to existing bike-friendly trains 🏩🚞🚃🚃🚃🚃🏫
  2. Adding more bike-friendly trains to existing lines 🚆🚆🚉🚊🚇🚇
  3. Building new well-placed bike-friendly stations on existing lines 🏢🏪🚵‍♂️🚵‍♀️🚈
  4. Adding more passenger railway lines to existing rail networks. 🛤️🛤️🛤️🛤️🛤️
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are definitely scaling limits for bike on trains, 1 bike takes up the space and manoeuvre room that could fit 3 or 4 people. Bike to station, leave bike there, use (ad hoc rental) other bike at destination is clearly a lot more scalable than filling trains with bikes.

[–] pirat 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

1 bike takes up the space and manoeuvre room that could fit 3 or 4 people.

I'd say two bikes in a well-designed alternating rack along the wall takes up about the same space as two seats beside each other. Also, some people will stand along the bikes if their train ride is short, taking up less space than a seat. My estimate would be that 1 person + 1 bike ≈ 1,75 seats on average.

Beside that, I think you have a valid point in that a big part of the solution is locally available micromobility options, but I don't think bike-friendly trains wouldn't be a part of the solution too, since people will probably still want to own bikes, scooters etc. in the future. I, at least, like owning things that make my life easier.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've done the bike-on-train thing many times and in many countries. The issue isn't just the space the bike needs on the train itself, it's the space the person needs to be able to get a bike on board without blocking the path and the infrastructurerequired to get the bike right next to the train. Trains fit for many bikes need wider doors, more doors (that costs seats), alignment between platform and train becomes even more important, that the platforms are very accessible too (there is often, if you're lucky, 1 elevator to the platform that fits 1 or 2 bikes at a time, that elevator gets jammed up and competes with wheelchairs and childstrollers and large suitcases very quickly) et cetera. Many smaller stations still have 0 elevators of ramps, only stairs. The only somewhat convenient bike on a train is the foldable bike, but even that creates the hassle described, tho less. I try to avoid taking my own bike on a train (and I think taking your own is usually too cheap compared to a person-ticket and the hassle taking the bike creates).

Anyhow, I think 1 person + 1 bike = 1,75 seats is underestimating it a lot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

K but... what's up with the emoji?

[–] pirat 1 points 1 year ago

Dunno, had fun 🤸‍♂️