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[–] grue 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yawn... yet another worthless white moderate whining that other people's lives and freedom are less important than his convenience.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If you're going to invoke Dr. King in this conflict you should be aware of his position regarding it.

[–] grue 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

MLK has been dead for 50+ years. Claiming he has a position on Netanyahu's genocidal tactics is utter nonsense.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's almost like this conflict extends back a long time, and the root causes of it, and cited motivations for violence, haven't changed since his time.

[–] grue 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's almost like it's bad-faith trolling to pretend root causes are relevant when we're actually talking about Israel's current tactics. It's pretty fucking disgusting that you apparently can't agree that genocide is wrong no matter who started it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Israel's current tactics are the result of the position it finds itself in, fighting against a guerilla terrorist government in a densely populated urban area. And that's because of a long causal chain of events going back to the root causes. King was alive during most of what Palestine considers instigating events, the Nakba, the '67 war...

Only one side of this conflict explicitly intends to commit genocide, and it's not Israel. Only one side did commit genocide when they had the upper hand, and it wasn't Israel. Historical context is relevant and not just yesterday's tactics, considered in a vacuum.

Although war is tragic, I don't consider this a genocide. Eliminating an ethnic group is clearly not Israel's intention or motivation. If it were they could have easily done so by now and they haven't for obvious reasons. I oppose genocide, I don't oppose self-defense. This is about safety for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Eliminating an ethnic group is clearly not Israel's intention or motivation.

https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/588452/Israeli-Government-Mulls-Forcible-Permanent-Transfer-of-2-2-Million-Gaza

If Israel wanted to change their position, they'd think seriously about peace. The last administration who did was Rabin's, and he got assassinated for it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

20% of Israel's population is Arab with full citizenship rights. Why are Arabs in Gaza being treated the way they are, is it because they are ethnically Arab, or because they are a belligerent and violent nation? Clearly the latter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

20% of Israel's population is Arab with full citizenship rights.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

because they are a belligerent and violent nation?

Fun fact: The blockade started before Hamas was elected. It has also been historically Israel who didn't follow ceasefire agreements. It has also been Israel who funded Hamas and supported them against the more moderate PNA.

Gaza is violent because peace doesn't work. The West Bank is proof of that with the slow-motion genocide (or ethnic cleansing if you wanna understate) going on there.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The last administration who did was Rabin's, and he got assassinated for it

Could be part of why the current administration doesn't want to try it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

The current administration is often blamed for said assassination, including by his widow. Bibi held a rally where he engaged in what many consider stochastic terrorism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's great that you're such a big fan of Amy Schumer that you've endorsed her terrible take on this. I can't say I'm that big a fan, but I love some of her comedy. Her realistic military game sketch is a great bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

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