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I'm pro-human beings and opposed to killing and maiming people who are trying to enjoy their life.
They're just trying to survive. We've already made it impossible for them to enjoy life
Yet we're not seeing calls for Hamas to step down and let innocent Palestinians live in some version of peace that can never be known under Islamic jihad....
Which I find very weird. The lack of conversation surrounding the admitted goals of the leaders of the Palestinian people is something that needs to be part of any conversation.
It's a false dichotomy to condition ceasing the extermination of a whole innocent population to protests towards a terrorist organization. Israel does not need to bomb several hospitals to stop Hamas. There are other ways to go about stopping terrorists.
Maybe you don't see many calls at Hamas because people are catching up with how wholesale persecution and extermination of people is often justified by pointing to a few malicious individuals that are part of that population.
I am not stupid and I'm capable of empathy. Really, do you need a reason to understand that bombing hospitals full of innocent civilians is a horrible thing?
I also know enough recent history to have some inkling that widespread bombing might not be that effective at stopping a terrorist movement. Say, like US wars against Afghanistan and Iraq.
Consistently groups that do horrible, entirely excessive atrocities insist that they are necessary and vital. It does not mean that they are, and it's definitely something you should not assume blindly, or at all.
There needs a lot more than "might" to even begin to justify it. Then again, might alone is often used to get away with it.
There's no extermination. Quit getting your talking points from Tiktok and Twitter.
Do you have anything but dismissive snark or are you going to pretend continuous bombing of civilian buildings is some sort of surgical targeted action.
There's a pretty big difference between stupid declarations about things that simply aren't true, and trying to start a conversation. I just assumed with an axiom like that there was no conversation to be had.
Clearly there's no conversation to be had, but because you want to pretend whatever you don't like to hear is false and stupid, without even trying to offer any reason for it.
They can fuck off to any other 20 Arab/Muslim countries. How many other Jewish countries are there?
Oh yeah, somebody goes to you and tells you to move to diffent country or they'll drop a bomb on you and your family, I'm sure you'll happy to comply. Whatever religion and ethnicity you are, I'm sure you can just go anywhere vaguely similar and know everyone on a first-name basis.
This is neither a matter of handing the whole region exclusively to palestinians or to israelis. Justifying it because "there are other arab/muslim countries" is such a frankly childish way to justify a conflict as serious as this. Needing to say this is almost ridiculous, but a region doesn't need to be populated by only a single kind of people.
Because they're not going to do that. You can't call them terrorists and expect logical reasonable action or reaction.
The Palestinian people by in large did not vote Hamas in, over 50% of the people in Gaza were not alive during the last election.
Excuse the tangent but you made me look it up. >50% of Americans weren't eligible to vote in 2000 but apparently I need to answer for the Iraq War for the rest of my friggin' life like that was my personal decision.
Hamas is a jihadist organization though...
If they don't represent the majority maybe they should hold elections and let a party that represents the majority take the lead?
Sure, and Israel is a Zionist nation what's your point.
Yes the terrorist organization is going to relinquish control... Yeah.
So we shouldn’t call them terrorists and hope they stop killing people? I’m sorry that doesn’t make any sense. Israel isn’t about to stop their war on Hamas, yet it doesn’t stop the world criticising them.
While technically true, almost 70% of Gazans support armed attacks on Israeli civilians.](https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2089%20English%20Full%20Text%20September%202023.pdf) I know it doesn’t fit the oppressor/oppressed narrative, but the vast majority of people in Gaza support what Hamas is doing. If elections were held today, according to that same poll, they would vote Hamas back in.
It doesn't make sense no, it's also not at all what I said but neat projection.
That's an opinion poll for a population that generally do not answer and those that do answer have to think about how that might get out and what extremists might do about that.
Ed sample population sub 2000.... Jesus dude did you vet this at all lol.
I don't see why this matters at all when Hamas wont allow elections and is an authoritarian government.
That's quite literally the point.
It doesn't matter that they didn't vote for Hamas because it was not possible and will never be possible. Why is that the point?
To me, this seems exactly like the other guys point.
Are you paying attention to the conversation or a single comment you've chosen to take issue with?
Ah, there's the answer, you aren't paying attention.
Theres only 2 other comments in this thread.
https://lemmy.world/comment/5354655
Well this is like your 3rd comment that isnt clear why its relevant.
If you're just going to make impossible statements, then we might as well be discussing unicorns and leprechauns.
That sounds like a you problem bud, one and one is two of you're bad at math I can't help much.
I like how literally all your comments are irrelevant lol Nicely done mate 👍
It couldn't be that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.... No ....
Can you explain why it matters that Gazans haven't voted for Hamas when there havent been elections and Hamas is a dictatorship?
Did you read the comment I linked.
This is typical of the bad faith, pro-Hamas people I've ran into on Lemmy. Outside of people like you, lemmy has been pretty enjoyable. Welcome to the block list.
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm with Hamas, they're both doing shitty shit because they're both shitty. Simple as.