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No supercar is good enough to waste your life working 24/7.
It's probably down to what brings you joy in life. If laying on the beach, drinking cocktails is what give you happiness: yeah, don't bother trying to buy a Ferrari 296, because it won't be worth it.
But if you're a really hardcore car person, and absolutely love the thrill of driving a fast car that handles unbelievably well, cars like the Huracán totally live up to the lofty aspirations you give it. Sure, you'll have a lot of fun in a Toyota GR-86 (even more if you've modified it), but there's a reason the Nismo GT-R costs over five times the price. It's phenomenal.
All of this is moot if you don't like cars, though. I think expensive watches are a waste of money, but I'd never say that to someone who (for whatever reason) likes them. To each their own, and all that jazz.
I fucking love cars. Some I can afford on an IT salary. Some I can't. The Huracán is one. Or a Ferrari 250 GTO (maybe if I drop Netflix /s). I think you need to be a surgeon, business owner, high zoot lawyer, something like that-- like half a mil or more a year -- to be thinking about a Huracán starting north of $212k. Or maybe I just don't like to go into massive debt lol. Honestly I'd be ecstatic to own a restored 70-72 Firebird. Can't really justify it, I don't think.
The idea that there's people in the world for whom a Huracán is an impulse buy that wouldn't substantially affect their wealth is kind of mind-blowing when many, many folks (in America) can only afford a clapped out shitbox. And probably billions can't afford a rusted bicycle.
As a BRZ owner I feel attacked
Material stuff doesn't make one happy, it is nothing but a distraction.
Most Lamborghini owners aren't spending their salary or working overtime.
You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. They already own their home and are enjoying life.
-by exploiting other's labor and creating a bigger wealth disparity than has ever existed
Blah blah blah, I know anyone who makes more than 150k a year bougie and stealing from the poor. You ain't going to make headway there with me
It's not the amount of money it's the method of acquisition. An engineer or independent contractor or something could make that kind of money and still not be considered bourgeoisie. (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?)
Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically.
Correct.
It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie.
Look up. That's the point you missed
The meme's not really about the car it's about the ideology of the person in it and how common that "consoom your way to freedom" view is among certain males in particular. Cars are whatever and sometimes amazing machines, like yeah maybe people shouldn't be able to buy million dollar vehicles while other people starve, but that goes way beyond a car and more like the whole structure of capitalist economy.
Congrats. You’ve missed the point entirely.
Whatever you say. I'm pretty sure you just don't like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars and don't have to sell their soul.
lol that’s a hellofalot of projection, but whatever helps you cope, bud.
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Which is it? Can I be middle class and afford a supercar, or do I need to be upper class (being in the top 10% of earners) to be able to afford one? Because I'd love to hear an argument that "middle class" and "top 10%" are remotely the same that didn't make me laugh in your face.
170k puts you in the to 10%
If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go.