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Violence is already in the equation. Do you want there to be no response to the attacks on marginalized groups?
No, you said right wing in the context of Spain, of which there has been only one single incident since the 1980s, and no one was hurt or killed in that singular instance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_terrorism_in_Spain
Violence is very much not in the equation in the context you yourself mentioned.
The national police did nothing wrong during the catalan referendum and riots. No politicians are advocating for the genocide of refugees by sending them back to the opressive regimes they're escaping from. No politicians are advocating for the genocide of queer people by spreading harmful retoric that leads them to suicide. There are no apologists of the Franco regime in the government.
Wasn't a far-right thing.
Executing politicians would not solve this. It would instead make the anti immigration crowd violent.
Spain is one of the world leaders in LGBTQ+ freedom. There is too much pro LGBTQ+ support here to make this a viable campaign platform. Making martyrs out of anti LGBTQ+ politicians will boost support for anti LGBTQ+ stances, not lower it.
And those government officials are about as popular as holocaust deniers at a bah mitzvah. Franco apologism is literally illegal here.
yeah because using the state's police to violently attack people that are literally just going to vote doesn't sound fascist at all
Just the fact that they're trying to do this already makes them violent.
So we should let fascists that want to completely eliminate queer people from our society have political power because mmm violence so scary?
Even if they aren't popular, they're there, and nothing's being done about it.
If you cannot tell the difference between a far right reaction and a reaction to an impending seccesion, you might be an idiot. The mere fact that you call an attempt at secession 'just going to vote' tells me you know fuck all about what went on.
Spoiler alert: an unauthorized attempt at seccesion will end in the use of force in just about any country. Not to say that I don't think the Catalans should have a shot at independence, but your painting the actions of the Spanish government as far right violence is ... Incredibly fucking stupid.
If you cannot tell apart anti immigration rhetoric from actual violence, you might be an idiot. Or extremely sheltered.
If you cannot tell the difference between 'let them yell into a nearly empty room' and 'let them kill all the LGBTQ+', you might be an idiot.
Because the people with these views aren't doing shit with them. Thus there isn't much to punish for.