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By MAYA ZANGER-NADIS NOVEMBER 12, 2023 19:09 Updated: NOVEMBER 12, 2023 21:26


Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be honest, I'd probably wait for proper verification of the footage by someone like the BBC. And if I were running an information war campaign, I would absolutely fill those cans with water and film myself delivering them. The footage isn't great evidence.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to mention it was just 300 liters, the hospital uses from 8 to 12 thousand liters a day.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Abu Salmiya said: “Israeli officials reached out to me twice about providing the hospital with fuel: once to offer 2,000 litres [440 gallons] and then another to offer 300 litres [66 gallons]. Keep in mind the hospital needs from 8,000 [1,760 gallons] to 12,000 litres [2,640 gallons] per day.

[–] HappycamperNZ 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, if you knew it would probably be stolen would you send it lots or enough to see what happens?

If accurate, a small delivery was the right choice

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Someone already replied to that person showing them the math

https://lemmy.world/comment/5268159 and https://lemmy.world/comment/5268509

Grain of salt on whether Israel actually did it or not. But if they did, that is actually a good amount. It keeps the essentials of the hospital going for 1-5 days (depends how it is broken down, how many ICU beds are full, etc). But it isn't enough fuel to make them a target for Hamas.

Also: Storing fuel is hard. You COULD leave the fuel tanker in the parking lot but considering that is likely to catch a stray bullet/artillery shell...

And, from the shitty perspective: it keeps said hospitals on a tight leash. Because they can last maybe one day before they have to acquiesce to whatever the IDF wants in exchange for the humanitarian aid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no footage to verify here, the evidence is just an audio recording. The only way to get verification is to find out who is the health officiaal on that line and contact them.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The linked story has footage, no?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It's just soldier carrying fuel. The issue here isn't that IDF lie about fuel delivery, the issue is israel say Hamas blocking the delivery while Hamas deny it, and only sound clip are provided which is super easy to fake. So calling the health official on the end of the line will provide insight about the issue.

[–] FuglyDuck 4 points 1 year ago

Or step back, turn the cameras off, and then get the fuel again.

All the video shows is that it was there at a time and place. It doesn’t show what happened after the fact,

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If there is one thing this conflict has taught us, it is the power of state funded media.

Al Jazeera have been putting in work. They are historically one of the best "view points" for the never ending hell in the middle east, but it is also worth remembering that they are funded by Qatar and were pretty much the first to accuse the IDF of the hospital bombing a few weeks back (that they most likely didn't do... as opposed to the ones last week that they probably did...).

The BBC demonstrated during King Chuck's coronation that they are 100% willing to toe the party line. So take it with a grain of salt

What we should be keeping an eye out for are the trustworthy OSINT outlets

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The BBC demonstrated during King Chuck’s coronation that they are 100% willing to toe the party line

The BBC is imperfect - but BBC Verify does excellent work analysing and verifying disputed footage https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/reality_check - I'm impressed with their work.

I'm not sure what you think the "party line" is in this case - the BBC has been covering the current action in Gaza robustly with their foreign correspondents. How they covered the investiture of the head of state, doesn't really tell you mucgh about their coverage of Israel-Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are good until they aren't. Up until a month or two ago, I would have gone to bat for Al Jazeera as the closest thing you can get to an "unbiased" source on the never ending invasions of the Middle East. But right from the start of this round of Israel vs Palestine, they have very strongly been showing their side as state funded media. I still think they are incredibly valuable, but now as an alternate source to try to make sense of this mess rather than as a "reliable" source, if that makes sense.

And the BBC has already demonstrated how quickly they will bend the knee to whatever the British government wants, "when it matters".

Am I saying you should assume they are liars? No. But I would lean more toward the outlets that aren't state affiliated for something so intrinsically tied to global politics and relations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the BBC has already demonstrated how quickly they will bend the knee to whatever the British government wants, “when it matters”.

Can you give an example of an investigative story where they have 'bended their knee?' are you talking about the coverage of the coronation? Overall 62% of the UK population still support the idea of Monarchy https://www.statista.com/statistics/863893/support-for-the-monarchy-in-britain-by-age/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Overall 62% of the UK population still support the idea of Monarchy

So they should appease the userbase rather than tell the truth? how the fuck is that an argument?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It’s not an argument. I was asking for an example where the BBC had ‘bended the knee’ to the UK government, and was suggesting that the coverage of the Coronation was a bad example.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It REALLY isn't worth arguing with the Royalist crowd.

Like, I'll dick around with a tankie or a CCP shill. But the Royalists are just rabid in a way that isn't even fun. Probably a side effect of having one of the most detested Brits of the past few decades (and that is saying A LOT) as a King and having him now defend and protect the Royal Nonce at every step.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It’s certainly worth talking about the merits of the monarchy, but that’s not the issue here. I was asking about the extent to which the BBC’s monarchy coverage had anything to do with its ability to verify footage coming from the IDF. In my opinion they are unrelated.