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AI companies have all kinds of arguments against paying for copyrighted content (www.theverge.com)
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AI companies have all kinds of arguments against paying for copyrighted content::The companies building generative AI tools like ChatGPT say updated copyright laws could interfere with their ability to train capable AI models. Here are comments from OpenAI, StabilityAI, Meta, Google, Microsoft and more.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both of your examples are governed by the same set of privacy laws, which talk about consent, purpose and necessity, but not about scale. Legislating around scale open up the inevitable legal quagmires of "what scale is acceptable" and "should activity x be counted the same as activity y to meet the scale-level defined in the law".

Scale makes a difference, but it shouldn't make a legal difference w.r.t. the legality of the activity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Scale makes a difference, but it shouldn't make a legal difference w.r.t. the legality of the activity.

What do you think the difference between normal internet traffic and a ddos attack is?

[–] fsmacolyte 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Intent is part of it as well. If you have too many people who want to use your service, you're not being attacked, you have an actual shortage of ability to service requests and need to adjust accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this context I meant that it was the same person doing a "normal" thing at such a scale that it becomes illegal. Scale absolutely is something that can turn something from legal to illegal.

[–] bored_runaway 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But isn't the intent and not the scale that makes it illegal? Scale only evidence for the intent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I see what you mean. Perhaps cold calling would be a better example then, where it is illegal if it is automated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lack of consent and the intent to cause harm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, then how about automated cold calling vs "live" cold calling?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Falls under unwanted calls, you should be able to opt out of both (though I believe both are currently legal in the US).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can opt out of both, but automated cold calling is straight up illegal in the UK (and it's a good thing it is).