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German Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck on Israel and Antisemitism (nitter.net)

submitted 1 year ago by Xenon to c/[email protected]

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[–] febra 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

that you still say NOTHING about what you would do differently.

I just told you what I would do, you just fail to listen.

If you're looking for a straight up recipe chewed for you by a guy on the internet, here you go:

recognize Palestinian statehood as have done 138 of the 193 United Nations [1]
remove all illegal settlements that are recognized as a flagrant violation of international law [2]
dismantling of the Israeli apartheid system as recognized by UN [3] [4]
create an international tribunal led by the UN for all crimes against humanity commited by people on both sides [5]
enforce the borders of the two countries, including with UN peacekeepers if strictly necessary
ensure that both countries make amendments to their constitutions that won't allow any further hostilities
introduce a marshall plan equivalent for palestine to take it out of the dire and crippling financial situation it is in [6]
create programs that facilitate conversation on both sides, cultural exchange programs, etc. (wishful thinking here; I think the resentment is too big but it would be a good long-term solution)
create programs to financially help the victims of attacks on both sides (dead relatives, injuries, etc.) after taking the perpetrators to trial and sentencing them of course
create a financial program to repay all the palestinians that have been forcefully displaced from their homes [7]

After all of that is settled and both countries are on equal footing, if any further hostilities arise from either side, these should be handled by the UN without any kind of bias.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#International_recognition

[2] https://press.un.org/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

[3] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-opt-israel-has-imposed-upon-palestine-an-apartheid-reality-in-a-post-apartheid-world-press-release/

[4] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights

[5] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity

[6] https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15462.doc.htm

[7] https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are completely ignoring the fact that a fucking WAR is going on at the moment.

Are you really not able to understand that NOTHING you have posted, is going to happen for the foreseeable future? That the terror attack even made them next to impossible in a foreseeable future?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Chill, dude. Stop chosing and posting hate. There's enough of that in the world. Are you really going to blame a random person on the internet for not magically creating peace in a bloody century-old conflict?

[–] febra 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A war has been going on for decades now. I know it's convenient to assume that the "WAR" has only started now because Israel said so and you seem to live only by your bureaucratic process, but the hostilities have started much earlier than four weeks ago.

You wanted me to give you a list of things I'd do, yet you simply ignore them, yet again.

De facto, a war has been going on for decades. The military blockade of Gaza can be considered an open act of war. The illegal occupation of palestinian territories can be considered an act of war. The military incursion in palestinian territories can be considered an act of war, and would be by any other country on this planet that has had foreign militaries suddenly spawn in their territories.

It's extremely rich of you to claim that a war has now suddenly popped out of nowhere in vacuum without taking a look at the long history of conflict and acts of war and hostility in the area just because it suits your narrative. This sudden, out-of-nowhere "WAR" is a farce. It's been going on for much longer than you'd like to admit.

And all of this time, I have never claimed that palestinian militants were right to kill civillians even though they have been submitted to acts of war many times before. Yet you seem to argue that it is okay for Israel to kill civillians in Gaza because a war is now suddenly going on since the terrorist attacks of October 7th are considered an open act of war.

That's an extremely cherry picked narrative. I think we should all agree that killing civillians is never right. Sadly I believe that disagreeing with that just shows your true colours, in that you consider one life more valuable than the other. Picking when the killing of innocents is right and when it isn't means that it has never been about protecting life and innocents, but about weighing whose life is worth more and whose less.

At the same time I think we should agree that the acts of war have been going on for much longer than four weeks now.

Israel has been comitting open acts of war for a long time now. They were never right in doing so. Palestinian militants were never justified in killing civillians, and still aren't.

Palestinian militants have likewise committed acts of war for a long time now. They, likewise, were never right in doing so. Israeli forces weren't justified in killing civillians either, and still aren't.

It's extremely convenient to be the one who picks when a war officially starts and who starts it by what act of war. But as is the case with international politics, that too is corrupted by biases and political alliances. If you ask 193 countries of the UN when the war has started, you'll probably get 193 different answers. But again, the acts of war have been going on for much longer than just the last month.

Now all of a sudden solutions are no longer convenient. Now the killing of civillians is justifiable. This just sickens me. We should all condemn the atrocities committed by hamas islamists on october 7th and many times before by many terrorist organizations. We should all condemn the atrocities commited by Israel over the same timespan.