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1/ Russia's security forces are reported to be in disarray following the attempted mutiny by the Wagner Group. It seems to have been perfectly timed for a moment – Friday night – when many personnel were too drunk to respond quickly, while others are refusing to fight Wagner.

2/ The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel reports what its sources are saying is the situation within various security organisations. At the FSB and Ministry of Internal Affairs, "Everyone is up and running, urgently reporting in. Now all the offices are like one big after-party."

3/ "80 per cent of the staff smell of booze. Some of them can barely stand on their feet. Can't arm 'em, can't send 'em anywhere. Friday night's the perfect time to start something like this. Everybody's standing around, waiting for something. No introductions."

4/ "A couple of hours more and the conflicts among themselves will start when [the alcohol] starts to wear off."

5/ Unwillingness to fight Wagner appears to be a common theme. "There is real panic in Rostov, especially among the police. There is more than a 40 percent shortfall in personnel among those called up in connection with Operation Fortress" (to defend security installations).

6/ Wagner forces were able to cross the border from Ukraine without opposition, despite orders not to let them through. "Both the border service of the FSB and the Interior Ministry received instructions to stop the Wagner PMC. No one is complying, as it is not realistic."

7/ Most ominously for the Kremlin, elements of the security forces appear to be actively siding with Wagner or refusing to act against it.

8/ "The defence ministry has lost control over a number of units and formations of the South Eastern Military District, it will not be possible to organise defence by the Rosgvardia [Russian National Guard] and the FSB. Local leaders are extremely careful in their statements".

9/ "Attempts to counter Prigozhin are only going through the FSB and the National Guard. The Ministry of Defence has simply withdrawn, junior officers either refuse to follow orders or directly support Wagner."

10/ And Shoigu and the [MOD leadership] team just hid and completely lost touch with reality. The fear is obviously serious."

Wagner is reported to be directly taking control of some South Eastern Military District units.

11/ "A number of units of the Ministry of Defence that participated in the war are beginning to come under the command of Wagner. Entire corps. Shoigu and Gerasimov's people are being removed."

12/ General Gerasimov himself has not been seen in public since the mutiny began. According to Wagner channels, he was in Rostov when it fell to Wagner forces.

13/ He is said to have "escaped from the Rostov [military] headquarters along with people loyal to him” and “is holed up in a civilian apartment with his friends in Rostov.” /end

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So, if this Wagner group unseats Putin...is the world really in any better of position? Doesn't the Wagner group have strong Neo-nazi/white supremacists ties?

[–] Spacebar 11 points 1 year ago

He might be able to supplant Putin for a bit, but he won't be able to stay in power. There are too many factions. It would be a choice mess for a while.

[–] jugalator 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, if they actually manage to replace Putin, it's not. They are upset that they can't kill Ukrainians as efficiently as they want and that the Russian military is too shitty at it. They are enemies to the West and they are enemies to Ukraine. They are hired criminals that kill, torture, rape and destroy. In fact, they are notorious for carelessly performing war crimes.

My hope is that this conflict will have them decimate each other, neutralizing the Russian military for the foreseeable future and hasten at least a more or less formal ceasefire with Ukraine while that cesspool falls into disarray.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The world will be in a better position because this internal conflict dramatically weakens the Russian war effort in Ukraine. Whatever faction comes out on top will be rather busy "cleaning house" for a while - giving Ukraine more space to fight this war.

[–] nexusband 1 points 1 year ago

Not necessarily - sadly. If Prigozhin actually manages to unify the Russian Military, there might actually be a chance that they aren't going about as shitty as they are right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'll put it this way, the founder of Wagner is named Prigozhin. And of note, Wagner was Hitler's favorite composer.

And yes, many of the mercenaries are neo-nazis of some form or another.