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  • Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
  • The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
  • U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.

Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine.

Hamas is the government of Gaza, not all of Palestine. Palestine also includes the west bank which is under Fatah/PA leadership, they lost a civil war to Hamas in Gaza after Hamas was elected there. They haven't held another election since.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for the correction, I have edited accordingly.

[–] snek 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could also correct the part about them being voted in. They had around 40% of the votes in a multiparty election, kicked out their opposers and took over. The current population of Gaza is 50% under 18, most people don't live beyond 65 due to low life expectancy, and that last election was 16 years ago. They were not democratically elected and the majortiy of Gazans haven't voted for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how voting works literally everywhere. If you count the people that don't or can't vote, American Presidents are elected by like twenty percent of the population, and the winner doesn't even have to get a majority of the actual votes.

The statement that they were voted in is a true statement, so I see no reason to correct it because you don't like that fact.

[–] snek -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They won seats but never formed a proper government. Sure it's a true statement if you want to be pedantic but it's missing the relevant context. It's not a nice and decent election in a normal and nice environment (thanks to Israel).

[–] Ghostalmedia 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but it’s not like that election wasn’t ripe with controversy around its legitimacy. At the very least there was notable voter intimidation being practiced by a militarized group.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm certainly not endorsing the Hamas leadership of Gaza or their legitimacy, but the fact remains that there isn't a real distinction between "Gaza leaders" and "Hamas" at this point.