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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I am going to use this thread to make a continuation of what I've posted in the first megathread where I shared a plethora of related links that share insight on the nature of this conflict.


Reports

#Nakba

Burying the Nakba: How Israel Systematically Hides Evidence of 1948 Expulsion of Arabs

Classified Docs Reveal Massacres of Palestinians in '48 – and What Israeli Leaders Knew

Editorial | There Are Thousands of Classified Pages Israel Has Yet to Reveal, for the Sake of Healing

'I Saw Fit to Remove Her From the World'

Zionist Militia’s Efforts to Recruit Nazis in Fight Against the British Are Revealed

#Recent Events

Using an Attack Dog, Israeli Women Soldiers Forced Palestinian Women to Undress

Cigarette Burns, Beatings, Attempted Sexual Assault: Settlers and Soldiers Abused Palestinians

Israeli Settler Documented Shooting Palestinian at Point-blank in the West Bank

Israeli tank fires on car near Gaza City

Hundreds Involved in Attacking Arabs and Leftists, but Israel Police Arrest Only Four

Far-right Israeli Knesset Member Zvi Sukkot to Head Subcommittee on the West Bank


Perspectives

#Videos

Dr. Gabor Maté (Holocaust Survivor)

^ Here's an interview regarding recent events.

Katie harper interviews political scientist and activist, Norman Finklestein

^At 1:43:50, Finklestein asserts that Israel would bomb a residential area, wait for people to come out and call an ambulance, and then bomb the ambulance.

Katie Harper interviews journalists and political activists regarding recent events.

^At 00:24:15, Ali asserts that Israel is willing to shoot their own civilians as evidenced by the Hannibal Directive, verifiable events, and testimonies such as Yasmin Porat's where the IDF was shooting indiscriminately and even fired tank shells into Israeli homes.

#Articles

How colonizers weaponize rape: reflections from the Palestinian case

Opinion | Dying in Southern Gaza: 'I Want to Go Home. At Least I’ll Die After Drinking Fresh Water'

Opinion | Amid the Mourning, Israel's Settlement Enterprise Celebrates a Great Victory


Testimonials

Israeli Soldier's Explosive Tell-All: "Palestinians are right to resist" - Former IDF soldier talks about how he realized that his actions were perpetuating apartheid, and that Palestinians were right to resist through any means.

Tantoura Ethnic Cleansing Testimony - Yosef Diamant ^[There is a whole-ass documentary for those interested.

Breaking the Silence - Israeli NGO where IDF veterans testify their experiences. Some examples:


If you find any other notable background information, feel free to share.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I recommend this book written by Ilan Pappe a jewish historian, who now lives and works in UK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here will be a compiled list of 972 magazine articles related to this conflict, continually updated as I delve into this harrowing treasure trove of information:

July 31, 2015: Palestinian baby burned to death in West Bank arson attack

July 31, 2016: A year since the Duma murders: Navigating justice and pain

October 12, 2020: For Israel, tens of thousands of Palestinian newborns don’t exist

June 8, 2021: Settlers shot Palestinian and mutilated his body as he lay dying

July 15, 2021: Joint militias: How settlers and soldiers teamed up to kill four Palestinians

April 5, 2022: Israel charges Palestinian journalists with incitement — for doing their jobs

April 10, 2022: Israel’s false promise of security

May 25, 2022: Israel says this book justifies Masafer Yatta expulsions. Its author begs to differ

July 8, 2022: This Israeli forbids Palestinians from building. He lives in an illegal outpost

July 11, 2022: Classified document reveals IDF ‘firing zones’ built to give land to settlers

August 11, 2022: ‘We killed a little boy, but it was within the rules’

August 30, 2022: Israel destroyed Palestinian village for luxury settlement that was never built

September 15, 2022: How Israeli media reported a ‘lynching’ that never happened

September 26, 2022: ‘We built the Palestinian Authority with blood. We won’t give up on it’

November 8, 2022: “He asked me how many children I have. Then he said: ‘Now you have one less.'”

October 5, 2022: In Jenin and Nablus, resistance and despair go hand in hand

January 24, 2023: A coming out party for Israel’s religious Jewish left

February 16, 2023: The theft of Harun Abu Aram’s body, home, and life

February 27, 2023: The pogrom is the point

March 2, 2023: ‘They were burning our house with kids inside. The army didn’t let us through’

March 5, 2023: ‘I couldn’t see if my brother’s murderer was a soldier or settler’

March 13, 2023: ‘Who hits a 64-year-old woman with a bat?’

March 22, 2023: Armed settlers break into Palestinian family home under cover of darkness

May 3, 2023: Revealed: The IDF unit turning ‘hilltop youth’ settlers into soldiers

November 13, 2023: How a hasbara group’s sham investigation put Gaza journalists in the firing line

November 23, 2023: What Israelis won’t be asking about the Palestinians released for hostages

November 30, 2023: A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

December 8, 2023: ‘It would’ve been better if they shot us’: Palestinians recount prison abuse

December 11, 2023: ‘Diseases are spreading rapidly’: In Jabalia camp, thousands shelter in one school

December 19, 2023: Gaza’s rescue workers are haunted by those they couldn’t save

December 19, 2023: A Palestinian student briefly deleted her social media. Israel revoked her permit

December 28, 2023: Palestinian Christians in Gaza fear being ‘swept under the rubble or into the desert’

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They migrated from North Arabia and took Jewish land every time the Jews were forcefully removed by a long line of oppressors. Then, when every Arab country started kicking out Jews, thy had nowhere to go but their homeland. When they arrived in the early 40's en masse, the Palestinian leader met with Hitler to see about exterminating them. You got the colonizer/colonized dynamic backwards. This is what happens when you get your info from Facebook.

I saw this YouTube comment where people were arguing whether the Palestinians or Jewish people were there first. Does anyone know how accurate this comment is?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems like baseless rhetoric to justify the ongoing colonization and atrocities of the past century.

First, Arabs and Hebrews both have ancestry dating to the Levant back in the bronze age. Many of the Jews back then would have descendents that would later convert to Christianity and Islam.

Second, up until the colonial era, when the Jews were being persecuted by European nations, they sought refuge under Arab and Muslim rule. One notable example would be the Muslim Sultan, Salah ad-Din, allowing Jews to resettle in Jerusalem after the European Crusaders brutally kicked them out. Another example would be the treatment of Jews under the Ottoman Empire.

Third, even if all of this was not true, that does not justify the ongoing oppression, atrocities, ethnic cleansing, genocide of the indigenous people for the past 75 years, nor does it change who is and isn't a colonizer and the colonized. This video gives a good explanation on why.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks! You seemed very informed about the conflict so yours felt like a good comment to ask that question under, which had been on my mind since I saw it under an old Abby Martin video of her interviews with Israelis. That video looks like it will probably take some time to watch but it gives me a place to start.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

This video gives a good explanation on why.

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this. Very helpful.