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Since October 7, more than 3,257 children have been reported killed, including at least 3,195 in Gaza, 33 in the West Bank, and 29 in Israel, according to the Ministries of Health in Gaza and Israel respectively. The number of children reported killed in just three weeks in Gaza is more than the number killed in armed conflict globally – across more than 20 countries – over the course of a whole year, for the last three years.

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[–] snek 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It’s impossible to know how many of these 3,257 children are actually children and how many are armed teens,

And if they were armed teens, should we kill them? The ministry of health published the numbers. You can choose whatever age you deem acceptable for the Qassam Brigades and do some math to get the "real" number of children victims, if you like.

It’s impossible to know how many of these 3,257 children are actually children and how many are armed teens,

All of them are fucking children. Everyone under 18 is a child. Stop this bullshit.

[–] assassin_aragorn 4 points 1 year ago

It's disingenuous to suggest however there isn't a difference between civilians and fighters. Either way though, yeah, they're all children. I don't know if it's more horrifying for a child soldier to be killed vs a civilian child either. It's two different kinds of horror.

[–] shatal -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Bigger font doesn't make you more right.

You can choose whatever age you deem acceptable for the Qassam Brigades and do some math to get the “real” number of children victims

That's just the thing with manipulating numbers - we can't do the math. That's why it's so effective and why you need to apply critical reading to these kind of reports.

And if they were armed teens, should we kill them

Answer me this - say you have a group of people preparing to launch a rocket. That rocket is inaccurate but they aim it towards a city. There's a high chance that you'll be able to intercept it, but there's always a chance that it'll fall on a building and kill civilians.

You can target this group, drop a bomb on them and stop them from firing this rocket. Now you learn that 2 of them are 17 years old. Do you drop the bomb? Or do you let them fire the rocket?

[–] snek 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In that example, I would be in prison because I refused to join the IDF.

[–] shatal 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So by avoiding any action you would allow them to fire the rocket.

I understand and respect that.

It's a huge gray area and just one example of the complex morality component of this conflict.

[–] snek 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By avoiding being part of the apartheid system of Israel, I'm one step in the right direction.

[–] Jumpinship -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So idf should disarm and let their families and fellow countryment be slaughtered like lambs?

[–] snek 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are misrepresenting Israel's options. It's a logical fallacy. It's not "kill or be killed", and also seems like it's very dangerous for the hostages that Israel does a ground invasion.