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Think we should just focus on one just issue/topic?
Yeah, I'm happy to talk about any of them so you can pick
Can we talk about defence? Particularly logistics and costs? Military isn't cheap.
Yeah I know its not cheap, but with all of the money the us is giving Israel, they should be able to afford it, or they can increase taxes, or idk take out a loan or something. The point is the cost isn't a valid reason to commit war crimes imo.
Well, the point is how can Israel, or the US, or any country, really--convince Hamas to cease its terrorism? There were decent attempts with the Oslo records, but then one terrorist attack, Palestine swearing for Israel's destruction and then Israel back onto the offensive.
I think the only way to achieve peace is for Israel to pull settlers out of the west bank, give palestinians a right of return, and pay all palestinians monetary reparations. I think the best solution is to establish one secular state, where everyone has equal rights. You cannot defeat this by airstriking people, or launching a ground invasion. It's like that one twitter user said, "I'm not a political expert but if you eliminated hamas but killed my whole family in the process my first move would be to start hamas 2"
You have to think about it from the perspective of Palestinians. They feel incredibly angry, and rightfully so. They're subject to apartheid in the west bank and they're stuck in an open air prison in Gaza. This makes them lash out in incredibly violent ways, because Israel has shown them that peaceful methods do not work. Obviously the way you stop this is by ending the apartheid and prison.
Israel says that the West Bank settlers are used for security checkpoints that keep terrorists from attacking out of the West Bank, considering the lower rate of terrorist attacks, it seems to work.
Though I agree. Israel should pull out of the West Bank entirely, though there is that risk of more terrorist attacks.
The UN tried in two separate accounts of making Jerasuelum a neutral secular state, both times Israel was all for it, and both times Palestine was against it, even declaring war they were against it that much. Mind you, Palestine didn't have a government back then, so it was terrorists declaring war.
Also I dislike the whole open-air prison sentiment when it came about from Palestinian Terrorists own doing, attacking their neighbours and trying to overthrow the local governments there.
I'm pretty sure the lower terrorist attacks is because of Fatah being in control instead of Hamas in the west bank. But either way, if crimes against humanity are how you prevent terrorism, u gotta reconsider lol. Glad we agree that settlers have to go. I think that would actually be one of the most significant steps towards ending Hamas.
I would be interested in reading more about the deals for a secular Jerusalem, I don't know much about that. I guess I could see how islamic fundamentalists would be opposed, but I have a feeling they have reasons other than just religion.
Regarding Gaza being an open air prison, it is, that's pretty much a fact. I'm not calling it a concentration camp or a ghetto, even though I think it might be one. Millions of innocent Palestinians are locked in there, along with some terrorists. There was a blockade even before Hamas took power, but now no Gazan can even import things like concrete. If there are a group of people that are locked into an area and they aren't allowed to leave by air land or sea, that area is a prison.
Just read the history of the Israeli-Palestine conflict on Wikipedia
I'm also curious, how much have you seen so far of the conflict? Particularly this year? Have you watched the massacre videos and Israel's response yet? I think watching footage of the massacre is a must-have, considering it's one of the most violent terrorist attacks of recent years.
I've seen a lot of violence on both sides that I wish I hadn't seen.
I looked through that wikipedia page, and most of the stuff about Jerusalem seems to be either both sides stopping negotiations, or more recently Israel wanting Palestinians to make concessions that they shouldn't have to make.
What were a few scenes that stuck with you?
There was one of a some vile Hamas pigs shooting a young woman in a car and dragging her body out while cheering. There was another of a child with his face burned off by white phosphorus or some other horrific weapon right next to his crying father. And there was one video from a few years ago, where a monster from the IDF snipes a child through a fence and treats it like a game. Those fucked me up.
I haven't seen that white phosphorus one. Able to DM a link at all?
Probably what fucked me up was a few different videos. Hamas slaughtering all of the civilians on the highways, inside their homes, recording themselves killing the men and taking the women and children. The parade video you mentioned. The beheading with a hoe video was also quite extreme.
And there was the video of a father carrying the tattered remains of his child, kinda wandering aimlessly. The airstrike footage also does me in too, just the idea of not knowing that you're about to blow up from something you can't even see.
I'd rather not have to scroll through the gore videos on telegram to find it again, sorry.