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I'm so absolutely sick of it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have probably never 'owned' a computer game. Even when you had discs/cartridges you owned the disc/cartridge, but had a single license for the game.

That's why it was technically allowed to copy the disk for your own use, but not to share - you only had one license.

Steam is the same, just without the disk.

[–] grue 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Legally speaking, there is almost zero difference between a computer game disc/cartridge and a paper book. Are you so deluded as to argue that you don't own your copies of books as well?

Let's face it: the situation today is the way it is because some software industry shysters saw the opportunity to pull one over on the courts (with technology-illiterate judges who think "X on a computer" is somehow suddenly different than "X" because ⋆˙⟡ magic ⟡˙⋆) and took it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I did quote owned in that comment.

Legally I think you own the book, but not it's contents? So legally it would be the same? (The content is copyrighted so you can't reproduce it etc)

The real difference is in usage, with a book, even an ebook, if you have it you effectively own it. They can't stop you reading it.

Unfortunately with games nowerdays everything checks in with servers or is online only, so if the publisher or distributor say so, you lose access. The only way round that is cracked copies or DRM free games like on GoG.

[–] grue -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Legally I think you own the book, but not it’s contents? So legally it would be the same? (The content is copyrighted so you can’t reproduce it etc)

You own the book and you own your copy of its contents, but you don't hold* the copyright.

Why do people have such a hard time phrasing it clearly like that, and instead say things like "you don't own the contents?"

(* A copyright is a temporary monopoly privilege granted by Congress. It isn't itself property and is therefore "held," not "owned.")

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have seen a few of your arguments, and it sounds like you are being very pedantic, and are totally ignoring the big picture entirely.

[–] SCB 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This came to be because people would hand discs to their friends who would then copy the disc and hand it back, resulting in widespread stealing of the game.

People don't generally photocopy books to give to others

[–] grue 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

resulting in widespread stealing of the game.

That's a lie. Copyright infringement and theft are not the same thing, and the difference is as meaningful as the difference between murder and rape.

Quit using dishonest loaded language. I do not accept your framing of this debate.

[–] SCB 0 points 1 year ago

You're fuckin weird man.