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Are injuries really that common? I'll go skiing to Zermatt in December. First timer.
They're really not, it's pretty hard to get seriously hurt with skiing. The first thing you get taught is how to stop, and if you ever feel like you're not in control you need to just throw yourself down on the ground.
Skiing at least in Austria is nowhere near as scummy as this post indicates either, and you won't get sunburn if you wear proper clothing.
If you're renting skis you probably want to rent them where you're skiing so you don't have to carry them on public transport or anywhere, which is a nightmare.
Although they are not super common, one should always be aware that going downhill at high speed is still risky. My mom's friend lost their teenage daughter when she hit a tree around a turn and died.
At high speed? What do you consider high speed????
If you’re high speed skiing you’re being unsafe and if you get hurt it’s because you’re doing something dumb. Slow the fuck down and there is no reason to be hitting trees at high speed.
Just because you have the option to bomb down the hill as fast as you can doesn’t mean you should. People that do that are being reckless and dumb.
If you can’t slow down then you need to learn the basics and stick to hills that are manageable. There’s no excuse for that shit.
Way to gloss over someone's death you unempathetic prig.
And new skiers may not know how to control their speed, and thus accidents happen.
They didn't comment on the death or have anything to do with it? I didn't respond because I was scared of exactly this type of reaction.
I do agree they're being rude, and quite dumb on purpose in later replies but still.
Exactly, as I said they glossed over the fact I personally know someone who has died skiing, and go on to argue skiing is perfectly safe, despite evidence to the contrary.
There is some truth to what they said, skiing can be perfectly save if you pretty much do exactly what they said. They're definitely ignoring other factors and reasons why you'd want to go fast.
I'm not sure why someone shouldn't "gloss over" the other part, it doesn't contribute to the discussion here.
Even if you don't go fast, you'll never be perfectly safe because of the reckless or inexperienced people who do go fast that can hit you.
How does knowing someone who died from skiing not contribute to the discussion of ski safety? It has everything to do with it, and no, you should not gloss it over unless you're a heartless cunt.
Should I be mourning instead? Do you want condolences?
That’s like claiming that walking is super dangerous because one time some guy you knew walked off a cliff.
You could try not being an asshole.
People do get injured and die skiing. It is not as safe as you claim it is. And you're being a complete asshole about it.
And slaloming down the side of a mountain on some planks of wood is far more dangerous than walking, and you fucking know that.
That’s like claiming that mowing your lawn is super dangerous because one time your dumb ass friend got wasted and drove his mower into the pool.
if you’re a beginner you belong on a beginner hill. Skiing is pretty damn safe as long as you use proper judgement.
If you smack into a tree and die because you can’t control yourself then that is a judgement issue. No different then falling on your ass because you decided to take a walk on an icy hill.
Walking is safe. Walking on an icy hill isn’t. See the difference?
Wow, so still a complete asshole.
Hundreds of people die skiing worldwide each year. Skiing is vastly more dangerous than ice hockey, a sport where people with blades on their feet fight each other.
And that's not mentioning the hundreds of thousands of injuries.
Skiing is not nearly as safe as you claim it is, so stop being such an asshole about it.
I am all for saying XYZ is dangerous but at least give a compelling example. Someone using zero judgement isn’t a good example.
Otherwise next you’ll claim that using a wheel chair is dangerous because one time your friend died because they tried to jump the Grand Canyon.
600 deaths and 600,000 injuries a year as a result of a sport a small minority of people take part in. Skiing is not as safe as you claim.
And you're still a colossal asshole.
Everyone is an asshole. Woopty dooo.
You can pull out all the statistics you want but nothing will change the fact that your buddy is dead because they decided to do something more dangerous than the actual sport.
It’s really easy to say skiing is dangerous. But you can’t just admit that your friend died being reckless, not because skiing is “dangerous”.
Sounds like you’re just another asshole on lemmy. Grats.
She was not being reckless, she missed a turn and ended up falling into a pit where she couldn't stop and hit a tree.
Skiing is not as safe as you claim it is.
And no, you're a special kind of asshole, because you flippantly discount someone's death due to an accident, because you can't accept your precious sport isn't as perfectly safe as you think it is.
It’s as dangerous as you want it to be. That’s the part your tiny brain cannot grasp.
Some people suck terribly at risk management and clearly you’re in that category.
Sounds reckless to me. But then again you don’t understand risk management.
You don't understand accidents. A sudden unexpected ice patch can send someone down hard. A build-up of soft snow without good support underneath can create an invisible pit that can be fallen into.
I skied and snowboarded for over a decade, and was considered quite good, and the only reason I don't do it these days is I don't live near a hill.
But I am smart enough to acknowledge there are plenty of risks, and it is possible to get seriously injured or die as a result of the sport even if you work hard to eliminate those risks.
You're stupid statement that it's perfectly safe is the exact idiotic statement that gets people killed, because it makes it sound like there is no risk.
“Perfectly safe”. So you’re just going to fabricate lies to win some dumb argument? Considering I never said that it just means you’re lying.
Usually when someone needs to bring hyperbole to an argument it means they lost.
You keep pretending your friends death was some freak accident that couldn’t have been avoided instead of just accepting that if they executed better judgement they’d still be alive.
If you have even half the experience you claim you have you would know there is absolutely no reason to be moving at fatal speeds without ignoring the blatant danger. That’s a choice not an accident.
People don’t just fall over and die skiing as if they got struck by lightening.
You know who make up the majority of skiing accidents? That’s right, people who ignore danger signs, and ski off main trails for the thrills, and end up getting stuck under an avalanche, or the other million things that can kill you when you’re not skiing on main trails. That’s not normal skiing; that’s high risk activity and it’s what contributes to the majority of the statistics you’re firing off without understanding them.
If you’re doing the right thing there is no reason to get wrapped around a tree unless you’re skiing in a place you shouldn’t be.
It was.
5 MPH is a fatal speed if you fall wrong. Any speed above pizza on bunny hill can be fatal. How are you too daft to understand that?
Still doesn't account for the over 100 people a year who die from actually normal skiing.
There are other ways to die skiing.
God, you're blind.
No one is dying from falling down on a groomed trail at 5 mph.
You are too dumb for your own good.
I've hit sudden ice on groomed trails and fell and hit my head, one can definitely die from that.
One can die slipping in their tub while taking a shower.
If you can’t see the difference between that and taking unnecessary risks then it’s obvious you are too dumb for your own good.
It’s quite clear your friend wasn’t skiing on standard groomed trails, just admit it already.
They were skiing on groomed trails, with their parents who were making sure they stayed on groomed trails. Groomed trails still have trees around them.
It's quite clear you don't understand even the most basic of skihills or physics.
And you still haven't explained the well over 100 deaths and 100,000 injuries that result from normal, not reckless skiing each year. Please, explain why those numbers are so high, even though you say no one could ever get injured or die skiing normal trails?
You want me to explain some statistic you’re pulling out of your ass? Wow you really got me there chief.
Explain how someone misses a turn and speeds off a cliff out of control into a tree if they are skiing on a groomed trail without doing something wrong? Your bullshit story doesn’t add up.
When did I say cliff? I said the snow built up near the trees creating a pit that could be fallen into. They missed a turn and fell into said pit.
Do you honestly not know of treeside pits in snow? They are very common, and actually quite dangerous.
And a simple web search will turn up those statistics for you.
Again how do you miss a turn on a groomed trail?
Sounds like you just don’t want to admit she was on a hill she couldn’t handle or was going too fast due to inexperience.
Lose control.
Also if someone inexperienced tries to play basketball too fast or hard the chances of death are virtually zero.
Not the case for skiing.
Skiing is not as safe as you claim.
I don't know why you won't stop. Hundreds of people die each year, more than just about any other sport.
Simple google search returns:
WOW dawg you totally got me. Skiing is soooo dangerous that a whopping 57 people die a year skiing. That’s out of a million skiers. Majority of which died NOT on groomed trails but from avalanches, and skiing in dangerous areas. More people choke to death a year than skiing accidents.
Ya skiing is pretty damn safe as long as your aren’t doing dumb shit. The statistics prove it. Freak accidents happen but they can happen any where any time in any sport or activity. Using a freak accident to claim an entire sport is dangerous is nonsense.
So far you’ve been trying to convince me that skiing is unsafe but so far you’ve failed spectacularly. You are wrong and won’t admit it.
Just admit it your friend was being careless, which contributes to the vast majority of ski deaths annually.
That's the numbers for the US only. Worldwide its 600.
More people eat each year than ski.
Way more people play basketball, and lots of people do dumb shit and play recklessly, but I can't find a single death as a result of playing basketball in my searches. Not even due to freak accidents.
Skiing is perfectly safe if you just use bunny hills, and ski really slowly. Anything else comes with a small, but real chance of dying.
World wide only means an even larger sample. That’s a small amount of deaths per year if that’s world wide.
Stick to groomed trails and slow the fuck down. The chances of dying are minuscule unless you start doing dumb shit. The statistics back it up.
And if you look back at all my posts I never once said skiing was dangerous, I just said accident though rare due happen, and people do die.
Prospective skiers and new skiers need to be aware of this to keep them safe, and pretending accidents don't happen, or only happen if you're "reckless" is not true and just puts these people in danger.
No but you spent the entire time saying “skiing isn’t as safe as you claim it to be”.
Well I am claiming that skiing is pretty damn safe as long as you aren’t being reckless.
The statistics prove it.
Because you kept claiming no one ever dies or gets hurt skiing unless they're reckless.
That is not true, and you finally admitted it a few posts ago.
You're original claims were definitely false.
Wrong. You’re just highly confused.
I’ll paste your original comment:
So again, don’t speed downhill and you won’t lose control and hit a tree.
My claims are the same and have never changed. Unless you’re being reckless the chances of dying is slim to none. Again, the statistics agree with me so it’s about time you shut the fuck up already since you can’t admit you’re wrong. You have similar odds of being struck by lightening. Again, unless you’re being reckless and skiing off the main trails.
The hilarious part here is you’re trying to use statistics to win a fight you already lost and the same statistics you’re using is only proving me right.
Keep going tho this is funny shit.
I’ll say it again. Skiing is pretty damn safe unless you’re an idiot.
I have only ever been skiing in Switzerland, but that is probably the best place to start. They mark the rundowns ("pisten" in german) according to the difficulty they pose, with blue for easy, red for medium, and black for hard. Just stick to the blue ones until you feel confident enough to try the more difficult ones.
That's pretty common. In the US they have bunny (super basic slope for children), green, blue, black and black diamond
Yeah, my SO and I will stick to the kids rundowns, as we purchased the beginners pass. Even if we wanted to get to a more advanced rundown, our pass don't cover those lifts. Any advice on choosing gear? I wanted to try a snowboard, but I don't know if it's any more dangerous than regular ski's.