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SPEECH: Sen. Simons backs 2SLGBTQIA+ rights, denounces anti-trans hate (invidious.io.lol)
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Excellent speech by Canada's most excellent Senator https://mstdn.ca/@Paulatics

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is objectively difficult to support a cause when a) you can’t remember the current “correct” name

Feel free to use whatever term you like the most.

b) you get non-inclusive shamed for not using the (current) right name

Has that actually happened to you, or is it something you fear? I understand how that would be upsetting. Being demonized when you have acted in good faith hurts.

c) you get called a bigot for pointing out either of these things

Gender and sexual minorities have been demonized for centuries and are now finally trying to both understand themselves and to be understood. This process of (self) discovery is slow and in the meantime we will have this alphabet soup until things settle down to simple convenient umbrella terms.

For now, let's try to be friendly and welcoming to everyone.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A) LGBT is/was fine, and yes I live in an area

B) Yes, at a pride parade most recently of all things. Had to be defended by my two gay room mates.

C) Don't deflect. Homey (forget if it was you) was being an asshole; and the reality is that nobody can keep up with your brand if you're constantly changing the name. Things rebrand seldomly and deliberately for a reason.

I've been to gay weddings, two of my best friends are gay, members of my family are gay, my wife's best friend works in gender affirming care. All of the people I just mentioned acknowledge that this constantly expanding need-to-include-everybody in a name somehow has a negative impact on both perception and support. So if you can't accept that opinion, even if you disagree, it's short sighted of you. And challenging anyone that points it out as a bigot is closed minded.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A) LGBT is/was fine

It is. Some people prefer using a different term, and that is also fine.

B) Yes, at a pride parade most recently of all things. Had to be defended by my two gay room mates.

Please do elaborate. Did the problem arise because you used your preferred term and somebody corrected you, or the other way around? Because at least in this post it's been you who has been demanding other people to use your preferred term, not the other way around.

Don’t deflect. Homey (forget if it was you)

It wasn't me, and you could have checked very easily.

So if you can’t accept that opinion, even if you disagree, it’s short sighted of you

So, people can either agree with your opinion or be shortsighted? Is there no room for anything else?

Whether your various queer acquaintances agree with you or not, other queer people like me can disagree, because we are not the Borg. Speaking of consensus, if we have one thing in common it is probably being tired of straight people telling us how to be queer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should really re-read what you're writing before writing it. The point has now gone over your head three times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Or maybe some people have trouble empathizing with marginalized minorities who want representation because they've never been in their shoes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people also have trouble empathizing with people who lash out and get hostile anytime they receive feedback that can be even slightly perceived as criticism.

If you're wondering who would ever do such a thing, I encourage you to visit the nearest restroom and look into the large piece of glass hanging above the sink.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most people also have trouble empathizing with people who lash out and get hostile anytime they receive feedback that can be even slightly perceived as criticism.

This is how you started, and it didn't get any better as the conversation continued:

Nice knee jerk response to valid criticism. It is objectively difficult to support a cause when [...] knee jerking shit heads like yourself

Does that sound like something that "can be even slightly perceived as criticism"? Perhaps there's some room for improvement. You could try not insulting people if you don't like people being offended by what you say.