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We can keep the grid upgrades to a minimum.
It is far cheaper to move hydrogen in pipelines than to build its equivalence in wires. In reality, the hydrogen infrastructure saves us money. A lot of what you read is just pro-BEV propaganda. They are just lying about which is more expensive.
No one is scaling back hydrogen investment. Just recently, the US put billions into the idea. Many other countries are following suit or even already started.
Oh fo sure. It's all a conspiracy against "clean hydrogen" bull fucking shit.
So everyone is out to get hydrogen. It isn't that it's actually incredibly expensive and just as dirty as fossil fuels. Think you are the one pushing misinformation here
America. A country built on propaganda and corruption. Im sure they would be for green
Again, it’s just marketing BS. You are aware that companies can lie about the benefits of their products?
The only conspiracy theorists are those who think there is a conspiracy pushing hydrogen. In reality, it’s just the superior green energy solution compared to batteries. And you are getting close to being that kind of conspiracy theorist.
Yeah don't think it is. If you can provide evidence to your point that would be great. Why are other companies lying but hydrogen isn't ? What makes it the superior product?
Pretty sure a mix of energy is best. Some are suited to different needs. A good mix of solar, wind, hydro, geo, tidal, nuclear and bio is probably pretty good.
But keep being a spokesperson for hydrogen.
I think it's pretty niche and only really use is in shipping and aerospace.
And that's untill we find something better
It's far cheaper to move hydrogen in pipelines than electricity in wires: https://www.brinknews.com/could-hydrogen-replace-the-need-for-an-electric-grid/
Sure, it is going to be a mix. In fact, hydrogen will be made from whatever energy source is available. It is identical to electricity in that respect.
I don't think you grasp what you're even criticizing. I support hydrogen because it is the better energy carrier. It is fundamentally necessary in many, many sectors. Even if there were viable alternatives, you still have to support a huge expansion of hydrogen simply because of that. And in many sectors, there are no viable alternatives.
There is no "something better." Hydrogen is the end of the line when it comes to chemical energy storage. Fuel cells are simply another word for metal-air batteries, and as a result, hydrogen fuel cells have the highest energy density of any possible battery.
So the article is written by a person on the hydrogen board. Literally couldn't get any more propaganda than that.
It's not movement of hydrogen it's storage. Storage is the key to hydrogen and it's incredibly expensive to pressurize it.
https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/green-hydrogen-is-too-expensive-these-38-government-policies-are-needed-to-make-it-viable/2-1-1095533
https://www.latimes.com/environment/newsletter/2023-10-19/column-hydrogen-is-a-crucial-climate-solution-its-also-a-distraction-boiling-point
Quote from article ". In comparison, the typical loss from transferring electricity over wires to a charging station is just 5%, so you still have 95% left"
So no idea where you are getting your info
"https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/02/06/why-are-we-still-talking-about-hydrogen/?sh=585a44097f04"
Even applications where hydrogen has typically been considered to have a major advantage are suffering. One of those usually suggested is trucks, where range and weight capacity are paramount. But here cracks also seem to be forming in the resolve of former backers. Volkswagen’s Scania truck brand has discontinued H2 development, arguing that hydrogen is too inefficient and expensive. Previously, Scania had been one of the leading vendors of hydrogen-powered trucks. But the tripling of energy needed to propel a vehicle the same distance with hydrogen compared to batteries was the nail in the coffin for the Swedish company.
There are always alternatives. Theyight just be more spendy.
No you are naive to think this js the best humanity has to offer. You'd be saying the same thing 100 years ago.
And 100 years ago before that.
We are not the best at everything. Hydrogen has a place. But it is niche
All of your own sources are written people directly or indirectly associated by people working for the battery industry. If you are willing to go there, then I'll just accuse your sources of being total propaganda too.
Hydrogen has the lowest storage cost of any system. You store in underground salt cavern at extremely low cost. It is the cheap solution out there.
At the time of that article, VW was ran by a BEV nutcase. He has since been fired. VW is now investing in hydrogen technology. Expect a total about-face in the near future.
Hydrogen has the highest energy density of any possible energy storage technology (ignore nuclear or whatever). As a result, you cannot come up with a better idea. It is the final conclusion of energy storage systems. Everything else is inferior. Therefore, logic dictates it will eventually be the dominate solution.
Exactly. So sources are very much the crux. Although some of my sources are EU and so have slightly more cred than a professor who works for hydrogen company.
That is bullshit and you know it. Storage is expensive. Not everyone has salt caverns. And even then you need to transport it to hubs for use. So you can't store it in the middle of nowhere.
Sure I'll wait on future proof of points.
Kool you sound you've lost the battle of logic. All else is inferior. Sound argument. With no backing or proof.
Goodbye
No they aren't. They are working for the battery industry.
You're wrong again. Nearly everyone has salt caverns. It is how we store natural gas today. It is vastly cheaper and more effectively than any of the alternatives. Again, hydrogen pipelines are cheaper than wires by an order of magnitude. Moving hydrogen around is the easy part.
It's already starting to happen. But we will what VW will do in the future.
It is self-evident that hydrogen has the highest energy density of any possible chemical energy storage system. There is no way of challenge this fact. Doubting it just means you have idea what you're talking about.
Mate. Read the information. Stop spewing the same rhetoric. It's been debunked. Get on with life aye. Pointless
Sorry, but you are just proving to be a liar. And breaking the rules.
Don't be sorry. A liar. What are you on about. You spew words with no backing, yet I provided sources to back up my claims. What rules? Are you a child or ?