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Unverified video after the bombing: https://streamable.com/rzajna
Washington post confirms video with Geo-location
Hard to see what's what in there. I'd be interested in confirming or disproving Israel's account:
If this is true, then you would think most of the church is still standing.
Daytime photos show that this is the building next to the church. The church itself is still standing, though one wall was destroyed.
https://streamable.com/bobmch
Lots of Christians dead for a church that's "still standing"
The church is still standing. However, a wall was knocked down, and that was what caused the casualties.
It's still fucked up and Israel is to blame, but it doesn't appear to be a targeted attack on a church, like many are claiming. The target was the building next door.
From the Washington Post:
Given what we saw with the last IDF statement (doctored audio, inconsistent claims), and the last IDF statement ("totally dead babies!"), the IDF statement isn't worth the air the sound travels through.
Absolutely, I won't take the IDF's account, I want confirmation. However before you commented with your video /u/[email protected] claimed that there were photos showing that the building in your video is the adjacent building. Presumably there are two halls that use the church wall that was collapsed. I've not disputed that the air strike damaged the church and caused unnecessary civillian casualties. I'm disputing that the church was targeted.
Furthermore, your video appears to show a part of the church, still standing.
The IDF lie through their asses, but that doesn't mean everything they say is a lie. I'm after the objective truth, which requires considering all accounts and not dismissing them out of hand just because of the source. The best lies have elements of truth, after all.
Completely reasonable and still getting downvoted.
Far as Lemmy is concerned you need to take a very specific stance on this conflict, and any other reasonable and honest thread of thought is instantly rejected.
Fortunately upvotes and downvotes on Lemmy don't mean much.
Of course they don’t matter. But it gives you an idea of where people’s heads are at.
Yes indeed, but they mattered much more on reddit. If you didn't have enough upvotes you couldn't post or comment in some subs, and if you were heavily downvoted in a subreddit you got comment rate limited - so if you went against the grain people would downvote you to silence your dissenting voice and prevent an actual conversation. Also downvoted comments weren't just lower down the page, they were often minimised, although that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
Case in point, I've been arguing with people on lemmygrad today, and of course I'm getting heavily downvoted. If it was reddit I wouldn't even be able to reply after the first couple comments.
There are dead babies, and you can find the pictures of them if you like. I can't comment on whether their heads are attached to their bodies or not because I value my sanity, but I really don't think that detail matters all that much to the greater picture.
To be fair to the IDF, The people who built the church really should have built it in a better place 1600 years ago if they knew that there were going to be legitimate targets in an adjacent building. Also, it's not like Israeli intelligence could have known the church was filled with Palestinians who had nowhere left to run