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Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies? This is a problem that everyone will face.
And in America, the land of SUVs and pick-up trucks, these costs will be even higher.
EDIT: You won't change economics by lying to yourself. BEVs are simply not viable. At least, not anything with a big battery.
This isn't about the battery dying. It's about Tesla failing miserably at building a water resistant enclosure for their batteries, them pretending that it's somehow the customers fault.
It's both about the shittiness of Tesla, and the eventually doom of all BEVs. If you think companies like Ford or VW won't be building shit BEVs too, then I have a bridge to sell to you.
EDIT: Again, no amount of lying to yourself or others will save the BEV. It is doomed and always will be. If anything, you are just delaying real solutions to climate change.
Be honest. Are you paid off or are you just insane?
Joe Biden just announced a huge pro-hydrogen program? Is he paid off or insane?
It's time to ask yourself honestly: Why do you oppose green technology that happens to not be your favored technology? Perhaps you can reach a realization here.
Yes
Basically every left-leaning politician on Earth would have be too, in your mind.
Biden is NOT left lmao
Plenty of governments in Europe are investing in hydrogen.
So? You're correct that the fossil lobby is also anal deep in EU country politicians. Also, like 90% IF EU isn't left either.
Then you have basically no one that actually support your particular position. Except this one guy who is a Fascist. Not exactly great company.
Lmao, even your fake story isn't straight anymore. I fucking hate Musk, there are more EVs than Tesla.
Then stop believing his lies. You still worship the BEV and cannot imagine an alternative. That's the problem here.
I don't believe anything Musk says. Good thing there are other EVs that are good.
Those other BEVs are just other car companies chasing the subsidies. Once you get over Musk's lies, you'll realize that the market is not an organic one. It is just an artificial market created by the government. Most people don't want a BEV.
No, because not every left leaning politician is dumb enough to think hydrogen is a viable option.
There's nearly nobody left on the political left that still oppose hydrogen. Maybe you'll find an occasional weirdo, but that's about it. You're just out of touch here.
Because hydrogen isn't as green as you might think.
Most ways of creating hydrogen involve toxic chemicals that pollute almost as much as ICE cars.
And the green ways of creating it lose about 30% of the energy put into it. Energy that could have been used to ... charge a battery directly.
And there's one way to get to zero emissions. Just like a BEV. The criticism is just a lot of BS from BEV companies.
Neither wind nor solar is all that efficient. Why hasn't anyone on the left come out and vigorous oppose them?
Because that's stupid, and frankly it is just climate change denial at this point. Something you are doing now.
It is quite easy.
A battery like that lasts longer than the car. It may not have done in the past, but it does do so today.
And if it breaks before then, you only need to replace a single cell to fix it.
Afterwards, you can just recycle and reuse those exotic metals used in its construction, so it doesn't require more pollution to create.
Much of that is wishful thinking. All batteries will die, and the repair cost will be insane. Not to mention it all applies to FCEVs and at a much lower cost and lower resource base.
Fundamentally, you can't. The same as how a gas car can't avoid a $5k transmission or engine replacement. Cars being totaled due to their most expensive part failing isn't really a new thing or unexpected. Beaters are sold for scrap literally every day because it's not worth repairing them.
All cars have a limited lifetime. For ICE cars, that's on average around 12 years, and things often start going wrong around ~150k miles. You can get particularly well-maintained cars to last much longer, but most people don't. Classic cars are mostly a hobbyist thing for a reason.
The question isn't "will the battery eventually die", its "will the battery last 15-20 years while still having 60-80% of its initial capacity?"
And based on real-world data, the answer appears to be "yes, unless you have a lemon or really abuse your battery." Lemons are also nothing new.
You can repair ICE cars. Unless you bought some complex luxury car, ICE cars are very cheap to maintain.
FCEVs will have something similar. They will be cheap to build and maintain. They do not have a giant battery to replace.
You? Lmao, nope. Gotta pay big bucks if you want new cars repaired. Pay a couple thousand upfront and then another couple thousand every year for new vehicle information. You can thank John Deere for that shift. I know, your car currently runs. For Americans, there is a certain point in buying a newer one is cheaper than repairing it. There will be a point where everyone is forced to have a shittier car because they are either all like that or you pay the big bucks. What are Americans going to do? Not buy cars, they don't have the freedom to not have one.
It's not one giant battery, but arrays of smaller batteries. At least that has been my experience with them. Battery goes bad and you replace that array. Not 20k but closer to 2k.