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Both of those estimates come from Hamas sources (well the 1000 people one IDK where you got that from).
JFC people you can criticize Israel without gobbling up a terrorist organization's fat propaganda dick. For now we just have no way to know how many people died in that hospital. Find another war crime to criticize Israel for, they're not that hard to come by.
Yeah if they'd said a dozen people died I'd believe it. That crater looked like a stick of TNT went up, not a 2000 pound bomb.
If it has exploded directly overhead in the center of 500 people packed like sardines I don't think it could have killed more than a couple dozen.
Ooh gotcha. Unfortunately I've read some wild conspiracy theories about this in the last few days so I immediately thought this was more of the same... sorry lol
Yeah, the hospital wasn't filled with civilians hurt/running away from bombings after Israel told them to run away because they're gonna bomb them again.
No way it would have had +500 humans in there.
But the hospital wasn't hit, the parking lot was.
The parking loot is a part of the hospital.
Does it seem out of this world to you that there would be +500 humans in the parking lot of a hospital in a crisis like this?
Yes, that might be the case under the current circumstances. The above picture helped to imagine what 500 people look like crammed squarely in a space. I doubt the 500 hypothetical people resting in the parking lot were placed more tightly than that.
Next, look at pictures of the detonation crater, which has the size of a sewer manhole. Imagine that explosion going off in the middle of the audience of 500 people. Would they all die from that? The sheer amount of body mass and flesh would shield the people in rows 20+ from the explosion.
I bet you couldn't kill 500 people with whatever exploded there, if you tied them directly onto the bomb, or rocket, or whatever. Is there any precedent of a terrorist attack or military strike or anything which killed that many people with a similarly small explosion?
You can't imagine people running away from being bombed being more tightly packed than people attending a conference?
Ok, fair point. But still, the explosion only has finite power. Shock waves literally do have a kill limit. They cannot rip through waves and waves of human flesh and still come out deadly on the other side. At some point, the energy is absorbed, the fragments are absorbed.
At this point, no one is arguing about how many people died, people are arguing about who did it.
Now, who has a rocket that can kill hundreds of humans, the Israeli army, one of the most powerful armies in the world, backed by the US, the most powerful army in the world, or Hamas, who make pitiful self-made rockets from metal pipes?
Oh, people are arguing about exactly that. We're even in a subthread which is all about the number 500!
As far as I know, all evidence points to a palestinian device, including the small blast radius.
And the claim that "hundreds of humans" were killed is most probably fake news.
I'm not interested to go into further rabbit holes. This cannot be resolved in debate anyways. Future investigations might reveal what happened, we cannot do that here.
Alright, this thread is arguing about how many people were killed. The rest of the world is arguing about who did it.
But the western media and the president of the US are saying Hamas did it.
This is the president of the same country that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them, and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians(In Iraq alone). And their response years later was "Sorry, my bad".
What makes you think they won't lie about this? Or anything else?
Yes, it seems absolutely impossible. 500 people is a massive number.
You have never seen a parking lot as big as the conference in your image?
You can't possibly imaging 500 hundred humans running from being bombed staying together in a parking lot of a hospital that is smaller than the conference in your images? You can't imagine that at all?
Jammed full of people, not unless there's a concert. In an emergency you try and get people into the hospital as quickly as possible, and people aren't going to arrive all at once. I could see 50 people killed in a hospital parking lot during an emergency, but 500, absolutely not.
The hospital is already full.
My friend, we're taking about people being displaced and running away from being bombed to hide and get treated in a hospital, and your response is "No way more than 50 humans were in the parking lot"?
They were not keeping hundreds of people in the parking lot, that's an absurd claim.
You living in your safe place can't imagine how much people would go to a hospital after being bombed.
What happened was so horrific that you can't even imagine it.
You're so willing to believe Hamas propaganda about the numbers. No, 500 people did not die from the failed rocket launch.
Look at this blast zone, you really think 500 people were in there:
https://th.bing.com/th?id=OIF.KNvlh4O%2fw%2fLvXfQQvHFl1A&pid=ImgDet&rs=1
This is not a giant wall mart parking lot, this is a tiny intersection with a dozen cars in it. No, there were not 500 people in there.
Yes, displaced people hiding from being bombed can be piled up in a parking lot to an extent you apparently can't imagine.
I can't believe you've taken in this Hamas propaganda so completely.
No, there is zero chance there were 500 people in that tiny ass parking lot full of cars, you could not fit them in there.
Just look at the pictures of the place, zero chance there were 500 people there.
Hamas doesn't have rockets that can kill +500 humans in a single strike.
If they had that, Israel would be toast.
I'm sure that some valets manage to get "parking loot"
Are you making fun of this tragedy?
The tragedy of the Hamas v Israel conflict? No.
The misspelling of "parking lot," in the comment I replied to? Yes. I am joking about that in particular, because I have to find humor somewhere.