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This might sound weird, but why is vegetarianism invalid while "piracy" isn't? (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I've had a certain debate a few times where you might say we argue over the "semantics" of the meat industry.

I am what you would call a vegetarian. While vegetarians won't eat things that caused harm to produce, a vegan won't eat anything having to do with an animal. A lot of those who would fall under the latter category hate us because they say anything that remotely resembles someone enjoying an animal product is supporting the meat industry which then kills animals, which means merely eating an animal product makes someone a murderer.

Meanwhile, there's this concept many call piracy. It's the idea that, as the meme proverbially puts it, "you can download a car". The idea here, which I say in the way I do because there's still an ongoing debate about it, is that it affects nobody. But then there's the whole industry thing I mentioned. People on the other side of the debate often say "well what about the industry". I'm not sure where on the scale in this topic you might put me, but I feel like there's a glaring contradiction here. When it comes to animals, people think of the industry, but otherwise that's not a factor.

My question is... why?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also don't understand the comparison to piracy but I think being a vegetarian is definitely more ethical than being an omnivore as long as you don't overcompensate meat with other animal products. If you stop eating chicken and in exchange start to eat an additional 3 eggs a day, that's probably worse for animals and nature.

If you just cut back on meat and replace it with vegan alternatives while eating the same amount of cheese, eggs etc. as before it DOES have a positive impact and we should appeciate one's efforts.

Hell, even flexitarians have a positive impact. Right now, there's around 90% omnivores worldwide. If all these omnivores reduced their consumption of animal products by let's say 20%, it would have a far bigger impact than another 2% going full blown vegan.

Furthermore, it can be tough to go vegan all of a sudden. It takes time to change your diet, learn about healthy protein sources, essential nutrients and stuff. Going flexitarian first, then vegetarian and potentially vegan allows you to take one step at a time.

Also being vegan is not where it ends in terms of caring for the environment. You can keep reducing your personal footprint indefinitely. No more flights, no car, less electricity, less shopping. Everything helps. And everyone should try to contribute in the way that feels the most manageable for your personal circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your last paragraph makes me want to ask... I am a frequent user of public transport, partially because I couldn't get myself into driving. Would you say public transport is to actual transport and to the climate as eating harmless animal products is to eating harmful animal products and the well-being of animals?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's always about absolutes in the end. If a vegan drives by car 100000 miles and takes several flights a year that's definitely worse than an omnivore staying at home all day. Ideally, you stay at or around home AND be a vegan AND only buy second hand AND avoid electronics etc.

If you are interested in how your personal lifestyle ranks against the average, just google for CO2 footprint calculator. If you want to do a good one, it will take at least 30 minutes as you have to answer quite some questions. This will give you not only an indication of where you are right now but also in which areas you have most room for improvement.

I think if everyone seriously tries their best and actually tried to improve their lifestyle it would have an immense impact. Unfortunately, most people seem to just blame "the industry" or "the politicians". Of couse, they also play a role but we'll never get a better world overall, if people aren't willing to cut back on their lifestyle. And cutting back involves many many aspects. Veganism ist just one of them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've used one of those CO2 calculators before, twice actually. They were popular in Google Plus debates back when Google Plus was a thing and I got maybe a fraction of an actual number as my score, as the biggest damage I've ever caused to the atmosphere was air-conditioner-related (which I'm sure everyone has here).