316
Hamas tells Gaza City residents to stay put after Israel orders evacuation
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2023
316 points (96.5% liked)
World News
39376 readers
3262 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News [email protected]
Politics [email protected]
World Politics [email protected]
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
They care enough about peace to give land back in pursuit of it. There are multiple political parties in Israel. The ones that engineered the Gazan deal got voted in because the majority of Israeli's wanted to create a peace deal based on the 1967 borders. And the coalition they put together didn't have the political power to unilaterally do it all at once a after the PLA pulled out of the Oslo Accords. So, they hung their hat on establishing peace in the Gazan strip in a manner that could be a model for the establishment of peace across the region. In the same way that they dismantled settlements and returned oil installations in the Gazan strip to Egypt in search of lasting peace; they did the same to the Palestinians in the Strip.
But unlike Egypt, Gazans responded with neverending war.
No obviously not all 2.4 million civilians are Hamas. Hamas military might has been estimated at ~40k soldiers.
To control a 40k strong force you need structure. You need offices, training grounds, mess halls, barracks, weapons depots etc. Now Israel could attempt to "just bomb" those installations but, that approach has proven ineffective in the past as Hamas has built a lot of that infrastructure underground. So if you want to cripple Hamas' military you need to invade and collapse and clear out tunnel networks by hand.
Are legal under the rules of war. They're commonly used as tracer rounds and targeting rounds. So you might ID a target with a drown, drop a wp munition and let the drone loiter in the area while you try to hit the target with Artillery fire. This is especially effective because modern artillery munitions can course correct in flight based off an infrared (heat) signature and wp burns at like 800 degrees. So if you're goal is to destroy certain buildings in an urban area without leveling the whole urban area; you must use something like wp rounds.
Traditional artillery would leave the whole city bombed out. Take a look at some of the cities on the front line in the Ukraine War to see the effects of traditional artillery bombardments.
Your first link is behind a paywall. Your second is relatively indefensible. Cops harras people. I don't have a solution for it en-mass. If it comes out that "harras them journos" was an order that came from the top then I'd be pissed. That's not right.
I'd argue that they're clearly not attempting to turn the city into ruins. I did an analysis but with nukes you could turn the whole strip to ruins with just two. And with conventional tomahawks you could cause damage to 90% of the city cores of the three biggest cities with just 20 1kt tomahawks. It's clear they're not "firing for effect". They've got a list of targets in terms of buildings and installations and they're going after them to cripple Hamas'.
It's worked well for us. There's no terrorist group in the world that thinks about what it's going to do and says, "I'm gonna fuck with America." And quite frankly we need our way around the Middle East and overthrew a number of governments to make sure that message was clear.