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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So what I hear you're saying is that education is the solution.

We could educate immigrants, which will take some time. We could also educate the Europeans so they don't take the jobs that requires shorter educations. Either way we will need the immigrants to solve the current demand.

The problem is that the same thing was tried in the 1970s and it didn't turn out well when the demand for low skill workers decreased again. We already know that the demand will drop again in 20-30 years, so we should already now focus on educating the immigrants, so they can function in society after the low skill jobs are gone.

Another thing is that it's not like we can stop immigration. The climate changes will result in massive immigration whether we "allow" it or not. They're not going to sit and die outside imaginary lines on the ground.

IMO, the only realistic option is to accept and start educating immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not saying they can't be or shouldn't beintegrated. What I'm saying is that their existence will not affect the demographic crisis in any meaningful way. They won't have kids, just as the locals. I've seen it happen. If we're saving people, we're saving people, but let's not pretend it's because of the population crisis, because that is irrelevant to the problem

[–] Aceticon 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you noticed what governments all over Europe have done to Adult Education in the last couple of decades???!

Indeed, the genuine, strategically well thought, policy on immigration for all involved would be to bring people over, educate them and integrate them.

The thing is, the immigration policies we have are mainly to bring over people to exploit them to the max without investing in them at all - they're about growing the local underclass to lower the employment costs of food delivery apps, restauration, garbage collection and similar, not about shared prosperity for both the locals and those that were invited in and should have been treated as guests rather than thrown (along with their children: see the baundeliers in France) into a life of poverty because they're starting far below the locals in the opportunities ladder due to their lower formal education level and difficulties with local language.

Meanwhile you have muppets on the make-believe-Leftwing-Rightwing political theatre both approaching the whole subject of immigration in a highly reductionist way as some kind of Identity War, all the while the people with most of the money rub their hands in glee whilst they cash in on the misery of locals and guests alike.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes I know and it's about to repeat. And yes it's driven by the political puppets of the industry.

You can tell because it's the same liberal centre parties who used to flirt with the right wing to gain votes, who are now suddenly calling for guest workers, without any support from their own voters. They don't care what happens to these people in the future. They just want to flood the employment market with cheap labour because their friends wants that.

More immigration is inevitable, but it shouldn't be like this.