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[–] flossdaily -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Sure, if you want to look back in history and then stop when it's convenient for you, and not dig any further.

[–] OccamsTeapot 5 points 1 year ago (13 children)

That's what this whole debate is. Some people think that a few hundred years is far enough back but others insist we should think about what happened in 1000 BC. There is no "right" answer. We just need a way to stop people getting killed.

[–] flossdaily -2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Respectfully, I disagree. While there are definitely religious zealots on both sides who will argue about historical rights, the vast majority of people involved look at this as strictly a modern-day issue.

Israel was created as a solution to the problem that millions of Jews were homeless refugees after surviving the Holocaust.

The Arabs could have welcomed them, worked out two-state solution with mutual economic interests and good trade relations. Instead they absolutely refused to give up anything to these poor folks who just barely survived a horrific atrocity that killed a third of their entire population.

That's not too say that the Jews didn't also commit atrocities by driving Arabs from their towns.

Just saying, the lack of compassion from the Arab countries was legendary. And they immediately tried to wipe Israel off the map.

For Israel's entire existence, everything has been about survival, surrounded by genocidal neighbors. They do what they do because they've literally been under attack for their nation's entire history.

I'd also love to see and send to hostilities, but Palestinians with their ZERO bargaining power have decided for decades that they will not agree to any peace deal that doesn't destroy Israel.

The ball is in their court. Has been for a very long time.

[–] Dreamer 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Israel was created as a solution to the problem that millions of Jews were homeless refugees after surviving the Holocaust.

People still believe this? Ain't no way.

Look at the first statement on the Wikipedia page of Zionism. When was it made?

What about the Balfour Declaration? C'mon, there is no way you're this ignorant. I mean you even typed up a whole-ass paragraph.

The ball is in their court?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Just committed atrocities by driving Arabs from their towns, yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah?

"They just drove them."

It's always a treat seeing genocide-apologists trying to twist the narrative.

[–] flossdaily 0 points 1 year ago

You just have to look at the date of Israel's founding to understand that the Holocaust was the catalyst for it's creation.

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