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[–] flossdaily 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

53 percent of all Palestinians want Hamas to rule. Only 14 percent support the opposition party.

APPROVAL for Hamas among Palestinians was as high as 73 percent in the last few years.

So don't pretend that the majority of these people don't support those terrorists. Palestinians have been empowering and protecting terrorists for as long as any of you have been alive.

Sympathy for the innocent Palestinians is great. But let's not pretend these are a people who are all really torn up about the murder of Jewish children.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

53 percent

You're referring to this article, aren't you?

Read just one paragraph further, emphasis mine:

Head pollster Khalil Shikaki, who has been surveying Palestinian public opinion for more than two decades, called it a “dramatic” shift, but said it also resembles previous swings toward Hamas during times of confrontation. Those all dissipated within three to six months as Hamas failed to deliver on promises of change.

Sadly there's not many numbers to go by. But have a later poll, some snippets:

Also notable is that Gazans continue to express disapproval of Hamas’ policies towards Israel. About half (53%) agree at least somewhat that “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders,” a percentage that has held steady over the last three years. 59% of Gazans also agree that Hamas should give up its armed units in favor of PA officers in Gaza. Likewise, nearly two-thirds of Gazans would agree at least somewhat with the need for Hamas to preserve the cease-fire in both Gaza and the West Bank.

As well as:

Specifically, Gazans believe that Palestinians should push more against corruption in the PA and Hamas. Most (87%) of Gazans would also like Hamas and the PA to allow free and fair elections, a notable 20-point difference from West Bankers (65%) and East Jerusalemites (66%).

...so, no, short story short Palestinians aren't exactly happy about their dictators.

[–] JimmyMcGill 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you post this all over Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Be the change you want to see

[–] vertigo3pc 8 points 1 year ago

Nobody has else come to their aid, and they've gotten less and less from this "peace process". What Hamas did is wrong, but remove all hope from people and you'll be shocked by what they'll fall for.

Moral of the story: neither Israel nor Palestine nor any country in the middle east is serious about achieving peace that benefits both parties, so now it's up to the global community. Of course, with Israel's posture, I'm expecting them to kill all Palestinians and shrug when accused of ethnic cleansing.

[–] PopOfAfrica 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd say Israel as an apartheid state has done all the empowering that Hamas needs to be in control.

Terrorist groups tend to not just spring from nothing.

[–] flossdaily -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Batbro 1 points 1 year ago
[–] synceDD -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so if Ukrainians attacked Moscow tomorrow, would you call Russians victims too? What a clown Jesus Christ

[–] flossdaily 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are Ukrainians targeting civilians by the hundreds?

[–] synceDD -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What if they do? The Ukrainian civilians got their houses, schools, hospitals bombed and had to join the army but they arent allowed to shoot at the civilians of the invading country as well if they can? Are you a russian bot or do you have shit for brains kid? Jesus Christ

[–] flossdaily 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Find someone you trust and love, and ask them to patiently explain to you why it's ALWAYS wrong to deliberately murder children.

I doubt you'd take it from me, but it's something you need to hear.

[–] synceDD -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Calling every russian a child to appeal to emotion what a clown Im wasting my time, privileged kid on his gaming chair who didn't just have his house and family bombed and is calling israel and russia civilians, whose majority endorse their governors and their actions for literal decades, victims. I hope you get what you deserve.

Edit I forgot you even victim blamed palestinians for supporting hamas who are the only ones helping them against israel in the top comment but when Russian civilians vote Putin for decades you feel sorry for them. Idk if fascist bot or cognitive dissonance Jesus Christ

[–] NatakuNox 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What was the percentage of black Americans that support the black panthers in the 50s/60s. What was the percentage of Vietnamese people supported the Vietcong? What was the percentage of Indian people the supported their violent driven separatist during the British Raj?

[–] flossdaily -1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

90% of Russians want Vlad to rule.

101% of North Koreans want Un to rule.

Gaza hasn't had an election since 2006.

[–] LotrOrc 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why should they be torn up when Israel bombs them and shoots them and treats them like animals and has done for decades?

[–] Aicse 1 points 1 year ago

Isn't that happening on both ends? At this point I don't even know if anyone can really tell who started it first, taking into consideration that it's easy to fabric any evidence and facts.

[–] synceDD -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were you there to help them? Only hamas do, what did you expect smoothbrain?

[–] c0mbatbag3l -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The same Hamas that uses them as meat shields?

"Help" my ass, fucking troll.

[–] synceDD -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do they support them or not pick a narrative 🤡

[–] c0mbatbag3l 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pick a narrative? When did I claim they supported them?

[–] synceDD -5 points 1 year ago

You disagreed with me instead of the OP comment with the statistics, so assuming youre not a smoothbrain, that means you believed him and despite that you are now attacking me for simply explaining him why, therefore pick a narrative 🤡