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France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools (www.bbc.com)
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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it doesnt make any sense,religions are about dogmas not evidence. if they are based on science they are not a religion by definition.

Citing Wikipedia here:

Religion is a range of social-cultural systems, including designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that generally relate humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements[1]—although there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.[2][3] Different religions may or may not contain various elements ranging from the divine,[4] sacredness,[5] faith,[6] and a supernatural being or beings.[7]

I'd say I could build a belief system around "designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations" that tries to understand the "supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements" by using scientific methods. Where "supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements" are just stuff we don't yet understand like for example dark matter.

Education does not necessarily mean it’s all based on scientific facts

ideally it all is. just because we are not smart enough doesnt mean we should entertain stuff that has even LESS validity, like religions.

Try teaching ethics based on only scientific facts then. Try teaching art and music based on scientific fact. Those are disciplines where opinions and feelings have a meaningful impact on the subject at hand.

no child gives a flying bird about “expressing their religion” they are only religious because their parents are forcing them to. no other reason.

so no the right of the parents to express their own religion through their unwilling kids doesnt trump anything about an education syste.

You do understand that people in schools are not just 6 years old kids right? A big chunk of them are old enough to make decisions about themselves. Calling all of these individuals "unwilling kids" because they might be religious is very belittling.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling all of these individuals “unwilling kids” because they might be religious is very belittling.

none of those people sat down and said " i want to become a christian". speaking about this like its a choice is really messed up, children dont have a choice.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did not sit down to be raised an atheist and yet here I am, raised as one without having had a choice. Parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit, within some parameters of course. And I think that is a good thing, I wouldn't want anyone to force me to raise my kids in a specific way. At a certain age teenagers are able to have their own thoughts though, and there are a lot of people that turn away from the beliefs of their parents. Others stay religious though and I think that is absolutely fine. I might not agree with a lot of what they believe in, but it also is just none of my business.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

children being abused with brainwashing is absolutely your business even if you dont understand it.

just because you managed to escape it doesnt mean the average child is able to. look around, they clearly are not.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

children being abused with brainwashing is absolutely your business even if you dont understand it.

Being raised religiously is definitely not generally abuse, and I would say only a very small portion of it goes into abusive territory. Which, of course, yes should be everyones business.

just because you managed to escape it doesnt mean the average child is able to. look around, they clearly are not.

I did not escape anything, I am still an atheist. What I am saying is that it's not inherently better to "escape" religion than to keep believing. I would even oppose that framing of religion being something you need to escape.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would even oppose that framing of religion being something you need to escape.

give one positive.

sorry but you centrist people can really go to absurd places just to be right...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

give one positive.

  1. Strong community bonding, most people are social animals that like being associated with a group
  2. Giving sense to charitable actions that they would otherwise not perform
  3. A general sense of security and comfort

As I said I myself am not religious. It doesn't work for me. But to just flat out deny that religion has benefits to people is blatantly dismissive of the things that make a lot of people happy.

sorry but you centrist people can really go to absurd places just to be right…

If we are going to get down to namecalling here you go: You libs can really go to absurd places just to prove that pure logic and rationality will make us prosper.