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I’ve been tracking the comments on all of this across various websites to see what people’s thoughts are. This genuinely might be the most contentious issue of our age. There are people who are vehemently pro Palestine and can dismiss the loss of civilian lives as’ what do you expect when people are pushed like this’ . Then others are hugely pro Israel and see this as an unprovoked attack by a terrorist group and any retaliation is justified.
I think everyone’s shitty here. Hamas is a terrorist organization. They use terrorist practices and target civilians. That’s a terrorist organization. There’s no discussion on that point. Israel is a right wing authoritarian state that regularly commits war crimes. The total Palestinian body count far exceeds the death toll from this attack by orders of magnitude so we can’t pretend like Israel was minding its own business and was attacked.
I don’t think you can point to one or the other as being the true hero or the true victim. It’s the greatest grey area of all time.
I absolutely condemn the Palestinians and Hamas for this act. I absolutely condemn the Israelis for their continued mistreatment and violence towards Palestinians. One will say they only act this way because of the behavior of the other. But at this point where does the original blame for all of it start and end.
The only thing that is certain is that there will be far more blood shed and every dead Israeli will be met with 10 dead Palestinians. I suspect this will be the turning point for this ongoing conflict. And in the future there may no longer be a Palestine as we know it. With the US protecting Israel no other Arab countries will dare intervene militarily. If the Israelis occupy Gaza it’s going to quickly become a quagmire with a never ending insurgency. It will be costly and in ten years Israel will be more unsafe then they were today.
There’s no good answers or good parties here. Just disgusting human nature and the consequences of half baked racist geopolitics from the 40s.
Which is why the Palestinians need to recognise the writing on the wall decades ago and pushed to settle somewhere else where it isn't a lost cause. They can't just keep turning their people into combatants and not expect to be suppressed for it.
Israel isn't going anywhere, it will take more than the Middle East to force them and even then, they already have nukes.
You realize most of them aren’t even legally allowed to leave, right?
Steps can't be skipped when they threaten the security of Israel.
Lots of innocent young people are just trying to get away, but can’t and are going to get destroyed because of these two extreme sides.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/04/733487137/i-want-to-get-the-hell-out-of-here-thousands-of-palestinians-are-leaving-gaza
Egypt is wary of Palestinians, I wonder why. /s
Historically humanity has not treated “outsiders” to their in-groups very well.
Maybe it’s some form of human instinct from countless generations of violence against ourselves, it’s hard to say.
Either way we shouldn’t let basic fears get in the way of helping each other.
The overwhelming vast majority of PEOPLE in the Gaza Strip are innocent civilians just like you and me, and want nothing to do with this nonsense.
War is indeed hell, my friend.
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Too bad, because they clearly harbor terrorists who have invited war on them.
Am I supposed to feel bad when they FAFO?
Yes. Most people are innocent civilians and none of them asked for this shit. Many of them were born into it, and they don’t even have the option to leave due to the blockade.
So instead of working with Israel, they chose to let Hamas represent them. Makes sense.
You think any of this is democratic? Most Gazans have never voted in an election
And how does this undermine their ability to reject Hamas? They could have worked with Israel if they disagreed with Hamas and all that they do.
Is this supposed to be some sort of racist “terrorist until proven innocent” argument? The world isn’t as simple as “Just overthrow your government if they’re bad”.
You made a strawman here, not all Palestinians are terrorists. I also didn't make the argument that Palestinians are expected to overthrow Hamas.
Palestinians can undermine Hamas by giving information to the IDF.
Which is a stupid thing to say knowing full well that the IDF doesn't give a shit about Palestinians, or anything said by them. The IDF and the Israeli police and public regularly take Palestinian land, harrass their people, as well as jail and kill them. How would any Palestinians suffering from that situation even begin to trust the IDF for anything.