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I still can't understand why americans still tolerate tip culture.
We don't have mandatory tips in Europe and still have people working at McDonald's or similar restaurants : In France, it's even one of the biggest employer of the country.
I can't say for all of Europe, but at least in France it's simply included in the bill at most restaurants. Around 15%. It's not that different in the end. Just easier to forget about it as the prices on the menu are service included.
For restaurants at least. Not talking about fast foods.
Source:
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pourboire
That's entirely different, if it's mandated by law workers don't have to compete or beg for tips.
Okay, let me rephrase then, it's not that different for the customer. You have to pay for it, it's included in your bill...
OP said we don't have mandatory tips in France. We literally do, they are including in the bill. They are not called tips but service charge, but that's the same thing considering tips are in fact service charge in the US. But yeah sure they don't have to ask for it.
Where I live we pay for the "service", however this is only on restaurants with waiters, you can choose not to but I've never had a problem with tipping a waiter. Now tipping on an automated transaction? Yeah nah
Because in some places it's the only way for the staff to make livable wages. If our store didn't allow tips I'd be missing 10 - 20% of the pay I get, and with the situation I'm in, everything helps.
And while I would love for tips to go away, and for our minimum wage to reflect the reality of our economy, that doesn't seem to be happening nearly fast enough, or in some places, at all.
I see accepting that is part of 'tolerating tipping culture'. Indeed, the system as it is now would not realistically allow for tipping to be obliterated. But just saying "it doesn't work, for this and that reason..." and then continuing the status quo, will not change anything.
You've seen what happens in France when the workers are unhappy. What America needs, first and foremost, is powerfull unions, make the minimal wage reflect a decent living wage at least, make the waiters wage an acceptable wage, and then abolish tipping. Accepting the status quo is tolerating it.
Some more context for this comment:
I'm in a store that would quite literally shut down if the owner was forced to raise the wages. That cock would rather cut the losses instead of provide something decent for his staff. I have a very schedule at the moment, my car broke down, I live in butt fuck nowhere, and I work as much as I can before I have to rest and focus on things at home, the job isn't too hard but the one miscommunication here is that I'm "accepting" tipping being the norm.
Fuck no, I hate it just like everybody else, but holy shit passing over the fact that these tips are some peoples life lines is a joke.
Also while unionizing is great and fantastic, it is so hard to pull off in the US, especially if you work at a chain restaurant.
Recently Starbucks workers tried unionizing a few stores in some rather populous areas, Starbucks reaction? Fire all the workers and shut the store down. McDonalds has had it's fair share of union busting actions too, and so do many of these other chain restaurants.
You can say that unions are the solution, and yes they are, in the long term, but to seriously go for making one requires strikes and protests that a lot of the lower earning public cannot afford to do. Maybe in the next 3 - 5 years? But definitely not soon.
I do see society changing though, A lot of people are just opting out of traditional employment entirely, either doing side hustles or my states favorite drug trading business. The businesses are hurting, just not enough to care.
No it's not. Employers having to pay their staff is a way to make a living wage.