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[–] DoomBot5 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not aware of the agreement made with Palestine for the land

That's because it was owned by the British. Before them the Ottomans, Romans, and Israelites.

[–] snek 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was ruled by those. The lands were still owned by Palestinians. The farm lands my mother's family owned were given to them by the Ottomans very long ago to cultivate. Trey had since settled there and started a small town. In 1947/48 they were driven out at gunpoint. They had rifles and fought with them but not much beyond that. The entire family fled to Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, and some other places. I did a 23andMe test long ago, my mother's side is almost entirely Levantian, they are from that area and have been in that area since ages, never took anyone's lands, never hurt anyone. That's your average Palestinian family basically.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and the Jews were driven out by the people who stole the land from them, which eventually ended up in the hands of the Ottomans, who then gave it to your mother's family. Go back far enough and everyone has stolen land from someone else. What Israel is doing is fucked up, but they have a historical claim to the land as well.

Arguing that it's your land now because you've had it for a long time is like Americans trying to claim that they don't benefit from colonization and have an unquestionable claim to the US because none of them were around when the native populations were slaughtered and forced into reservations. It's not right to expect you to get up and leave at this point, but ignoring the fact that the land you're sitting on was stolen is also wrong. It wasn't really the Ottoman's land to give.

[–] snek -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, and the Jews were driven out by the people who stole the land from them, which eventually ended up in the hands of the Ottomans

Excuse me, but what year was this? At how many thousand years ago do we draw the line for things relevant today?

EDIT: For reference, we are talking about 3,700 years ago.