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A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Would love for one of these fucks explain what the "nuance" is exactly

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Messaged them about this post. Their responses were:

"Their attacks were unwarranted just as they were against the Palestinian people."

I responded with a very passionate "UNWARRANTED? HOMIE ITS A NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT AGAINST AN APARTHEID STATE, YOU ARE BOTH SIDESING ISRAELI OCCUPATION?"

They say: "They are targeting, killing, raping Israeli civilians. Their actions only make the situation worse and will lead to more deaths. Now it'll be less likely that Palestine will ever regain independence." (What the fuck, they're pretending like they support their liberation while condemning their acts for liberation. Unbelievable)

I say: "According to who? Fucking CNN? The Israeli government? I call bullshit. Even if those things did happen on rare occasions, there are always people in movements that can do bad things. That doesn't mean you throw out the whole movement. Especially after you treat people like animals. Stop looking at it in a vacuum. Their actions make it worse? What do you offer instead, live under the oppressive Israeli rule? You are literally supporting capitulation over fighting back because "violence bad". Less likely they'll ever gain independence? Yes because it was so likely that the Israelis were going to grant it to them through diplomacy."

They say: "There are videos on Twitter of the acts. As for what I'd suggest as a solution, I honestly don't know. But what I do know is that this violence is unacceptable, just as the violence sanctioned by the Israeli government. And no. I have not been watching CNN or MSNBC."

I responded: " "This violence is unacceptable"

So your solution is nothing, and you condemn any fighting back. You are by default supporting the status quo by condemning revolutionary self defense. All for supporting Palestinian liberation til they actually do something about it. We're the black panthers wrong for using violence? Was BLM wrong in 2020? You're literally just serving the right by doing this."

And then she said: I said I don't know the solution, not that my solution was nothing."

I left that on read.

I've yet to see the Twitter videos. Not denying they exist, just saying.

I can't stand liberals bro. Oh yes, wise westerner, tell me more how best to liberate their country on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Since you mentioned Twitter videos.

There's, for example, a genuine video of Palestinian fighters looting dead Israeli soldiers and then kicking their faces. Then there's fake videos, like the one with Israeli toddlers in chicken cages, being made fun of by Palestinians. That video is fake, as the sound of Palestinians is dubbed over (I have no idea where the images came from).

Don't forget that Israel was the first to perfect online propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

These same libshits are gonna be all "It's indiginous peoples' day not Columbus day!" tomorrow.