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I’m really confused about a lot of things here. For one, you’re talking about Lemmy, but from my perspective it looks like you’re posting on kbin.social.
When I started my kbin account, I searched for “magazines” to subscribe to. Most looked like they were either on kbin, Lemmy, beehaw, or shitjustworks. I had heard that Beehaw had become unfederated, so I unsubscribed from those communities, although I’m unsure why I was able to subscribe to them from kbin in the first place if they were I federated.
Now I’m reading that shitjustworks is unfederated too? Also Lemmy.ml? Can Lemmy servers be h federated? And again, why can I subscribe to them through kbin in the first place if they are unfederated? Do I need to be doing research on communities before joining to make sure they are federated? Does it matter if they aren’t?
Defederation doesn't disconnect an instance from the whole network, only specific instances.
The news about beehaw defedrating referred specifically to beehaw.org defederating from shitjustworks and lemmy.world. Only users on those instances cannot see posts from beehaw, and users on beehaw cannot see posts from those instances.
shitjustworks and lemmy.world have not defederated from the fediverse at large, and are still communicating with all major instances other than beehaw.org.
Beehaw.org has also not defederated from kbin.social which is why you can still subscribe to and interact with them on kbin.social.
The kinks really need to be worked out and it all needs to be made far more noob friendly. When I opened this thread, I was super confused. I'm currently reading it on kbin.social with my kbin account. And it looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/2R8HjMa.png
I read the title, next to it: kbin.social. But obviously this thread isn't on kbin. It's on lemmy. Still showed up in my feed, even though I'm not subscribed to m/asklemmy. You're now saying beehaw is unfederated, but I've also subscribed to stuff on beehaw from kbin.
I assume it's largely because it's still early days, but oh boy. I'm relatively pc literate. I grew up using dos, have installed linux, and have no problem using the commandline in windows or osx. I've seen people far more pc literate than me getting confused by it all.
I can only imagine how confusing this must be for casual users.
That's due to a bug where local caches of remote communities are recognized as being under kbin.social instead of the actual domain they're on.
(Not disagreeing that it isn't newbie friendly at all. Just adding context)
One server can defederate from another server, that doesn't prevent a 3rd server from communicating with both of them
While true, I would like to point out that this does not imply arbitrary routing. In other words, instance A can't pull data from instance C via instance B.