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Oh, my bad, I was trying to be polite. Ill rephrase.
You are wrong. The professional demographics manipulators know better than you do. Which is why you are asking a question you know cannot be answered in the way you posed it without a 5 year study on catholic peoples opinions on a broad range of topics before and after a public vatican statement involving those topics.
The people whose jobs rely on the ability to read and understand demographics attribute weight to smaller demographics, and apply even greater weight to the catholic population. You are just openly incorrect.
The cuban vote is considered a huge swing population. Thats at 2.4 million cuban descent americans. Catholic americans top off just under 62 million. I am pretty damn sure that 18% of americans is a very relevant percent of americans. And, more importantly, every single career politician is pretty damn sure too, and this is the one topic you can be confident that a politician actually knows what they are talking about.
Do you think being snarky and running a gish gallop of nonsense assertions is useful? I thought politeness was a virtue but you've explicitly dropped yours so willingly. How revealing.
I am not wrong. I've laid my case, and you've laid a bunch of self imposed obstacles in your path to avoid answering the question. You've been disappointing but unsurprising, which I expect is rather thematic of your life given you'd rather be edgy than provide evidence to back your claims. Very sad.
I can always trust the religious to lose their cool before they back their own claims; an area of true consistency where no other lies.
E: the user I am talking with here attempted to impersonate me, and got banned.
Politeness is a courtesy, not a virtue, and one you made clear you werent interested in returning.
You havent laid a case, you posed a question you know cant be answered. "Show me proof of the popes words changing catholic opinion in 3 decades" is nebulous nonsense and you know that. Its why you asked it. You would need a depth of polling data to """prove""" that statement, which is often not public if anyone has even done that polling.
Now, you know fallacies as well as virtues, since I provided a single arguement. The professionals who know better than you know this demographic matters. I guess backing that up with the size of the demographic confused you? But the point stands firm, which is why youre blindly guessing Im religious (Im not, poor luck) instead of addressing it.
If youre really in a STEM field like you claim, you must not be great at your job. Most science professions require a better reading comprehension level than this.
Oof, you talk of fallacies and then use an ad hominem attack To defame my character? You reduce my question to only being solvable by a cherry picked method of evidence that no rational person would accept?
Your inability to reason is on display for everyone to see. You attack my question when it was not I who made the claim to begin with. Travel back up the thread and you'll see it was the person I responded to who made the claim. I responded by asking for proof which is the prerogative of a scientist and a rationalist.
You've been wrong about so much in such a short time and I am still left wanting for any real explanation as to why the claim that the pope has any outward or meaningful effect on political decisions has any veracity at all - a claim that I'll remind you again I did not make. Maybe you'd like to make the same awkward and hackneyed challenges to the person who did?
Your mocking tone and decidedly poor character have admittedly not been worth the effort I've given them. Take your ego away and bruise it elsewhere.
.... you brought up fallacies, not me. Just like how you claimed the pope, leader of the catholic church, has no influence on the members of the catholic church. You are making the claim that the leader of a group has no influence over the group, and asking for proof to the contrary. Or did you misread your own comments?
Whats your field of research? I cannot believe a real scientist got a degree with this piss poor reading comprehension. Whats your work in?
Or were you wanting to make up more guesses about me? We could do that too, youve yet to get one right.
I made no such assertions. I decline to provide you more details of my character to fallaciously attack. You cannot reason well enough to make this worthwhile. This conversation has concluded. Move on.
Ha, yeah thats what I thought. A lot easier to larp as a "scientist" than it is to actually answer questions about what a scientist is, eh? That tracks with all your other made up nonsense.
Have fun playing pretend for internet clout. Glad thats good for you.
I feel very sorry for you that you have to resort to childish ad hominem attacks when you can't muster an actual point.
As a scientist, and adult, I wish you the best in attaining the substantial personal growth you'll need to maintain a discourse without resorting to baseless attacks on character.
I thought this discussion was over?
You hid from my singular point, so Im not sure what you mean. The only point I made you couldnt even half heartedly rebuttal, just flail with personal attacks in the hopes I was catholic. Sorry, was that only okay for you to do?
Pretty hypocritical for an "adult."
Sure thing, you have a lovely day now.
Dont tuck that tail too tight, it will fall off
Hey how many times are you gonna say " its over bro" just to come right back with that tail tucked?
My buddys got $10 on 5, but I think you go past that
Look at you all red faced and chest puffed. Lil cutey.