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The Grace Hopper Celebration is meant to unite women in tech. This year droves of men came looking for jobs.

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[–] psychothumbs 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I can have sympathy for people desperate for jobs, and I can understand class warfare, and yet … once again something that women and enbys spent years and decades building up, is ruined because cishet men decided it was more ‘convenient’ for them to invite themselves into spaces not designed for them.

Couldn't this same logic be used by men to justify not allowing women into the tech industry in the first place? If someone of the wrong gender being around counts as "ruining" then men could say "once again something that men spent years and decades building up, is ruined because women and enbys decided it was more ‘convenient’ for them to invite themselves into spaces not designed for them." In fact I'd say something like that attitude really is what underlies a lot of tech industry sexism.

Gender-exclusive spaces often seem appealing to the favored gender, but they're really not good for anybody.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No, it couldn't. Because men excluding women from tech in the first place is wholly excluding them - there isn't another tech industry they can participate in. Men are being excluded from a single event when there are many other events doing the SAME THING that they are encouraged to attend.

Not saying I agree one way or the other, but the argument you make about the logic is not sound.

[–] sudneo 1 points 11 months ago

This argument is nonsense, but to humor it, there are other "industries", and tech is just a collection of companies ultimately. " go do your fair" can sound also as "go make your own company (and hire who you want)". Again, this is overall ridiculous, but at a purely rethorical level I think it works?