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[–] sailingbythelee 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Step 1: Use the equity you've built up in your primary dwelling to put a down payment on a second house, which you can rent out. Congratulations, you now have a second job to fill your evenings and weekends.

Step 2: Hope like hell you get a decent tenant who pays the rent on time and doesn't destroy your property.

Step 3: Pay all of the taxes, mortgage payments, maintenance costs, repairs, legal fees, etc., which the rent will just barely cover. Of course, most of the mortgage payment goes to the bank as interest.

Step 4: Keep crossing your fingers that you don't rent to someone who will destroy your property, fail to pay rent, sue you, or cause any other major headaches.

Step 5: After 20 years of doing this, you have now paid off that second house. Yay!

[–] hperrin 40 points 1 year ago (48 children)

Cool, now try being the renter who paid off your mortgage for 20 years and has nothing to show for it.

[–] TORFdot0 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The system is exploitative to both sides if they have low capital. The only winners are the capitalists who already have more than enough.

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[–] phoneymouse 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree there is a problem where people that rent and want to own can’t because of affordability. However, renting is less risky. Renters aren’t on the hook for major problems with a property. Imagine a leak goes undiscovered and causes major damage and mold to your apartment. What do you do as a renter? You move out, find a new place, and maybe even sue your landlord for damages and health impact.

What does your landlord do? Try to find enough money to cover the repairs, vacancy, and hire a lawyer.

Let’s not act like renting isn’t without its benefits. I think the factor most people overlook when they think about owning property is RISK. Risk means you could lose something or be liable. Renters have limited risk. If you’re taking on risk, you should be rewarded for it, otherwise you wouldn’t do it. Also, the reward is supposed to make you resilient to risks materializing. If the reward isn’t big enough, then when a risk materializes into a real problem, you won’t have enough capital to recover from it and you’ll go bankrupt.

[–] hperrin 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can’t even imagine how devastating it would be to have to sell my second home.

[–] phoneymouse 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, it’s more than that though. You could sell the property at a loss or have it foreclosed on. Selling incurs fees of roughly 6-8% of the selling price.. so, even if you sell it for what you bought it for, you could still be in the red. You might walk away $100ks in debt.

You can be jealous of people in that position of having multiple properties all you want, but ask yourself if you were in their position whether you would somehow respond differently to the incentives and risks?

If you had enough money to buy multiple properties what would you do?

[–] hperrin 1 points 1 year ago

I would do what I do now and invest in companies making products I really care about. I wouldn’t own two houses. To me, that’s unethical. I understand that not everyone considers it that way, but you should also understand that I do.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who rents for 20 years and then acts all surprised that they don't own the house? If your end goal is to own a house, start by buying a house. If you can afford to rent and pay off someone else's mortgage then you can certainly afford to pay off your own mortgage.

[–] hperrin 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You certainly can, right? But that doesn’t mean you’ll qualify for a loan.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That and I can't save up enough for a down payment cause rent/inflation/student loans/car payment. I was a teacher for 6 years and couldn't save a penny. If I wanted to make more money I needed a master's degree which I also couldn't save up to afford.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is someone supposed to save for a mortgage when they're busy paying off someone else's mortgage?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

How is that the landlord's fault?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

You forgot the step where wealthy investors & hedge funds crash an artificially inflated market, you go bankrupt and they swoop in to buy the property from their friends at the bank for half of what you paid for it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Using equity from current property to buy a new property? LOL

My friend, you are begging for pain... but appreciate it. Live that grind til you get repo'd

[–] phoneymouse 3 points 1 year ago

People do this, it’s called “refi and roll.” The idea is to find properties that pay more in rent than they cost to upkeep.

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