You would have to be blind not to see how this war benefits America and the west. I mean if we don't care about the ethical/morality around it (I think these are important) but from a simple strategic point of view denying Russia, a geopolitical rival, access to more resources and making for a strong ally right on the border of said geo political rival. Finally getting field testing for weapons that were literally designed against Russia, showing the US's stance on defending other nations, which means we hopefully won't have to get into a far larger war down the road. What do you think is going to happen if Ukraine falls to Russia, this shit continues and possibly on multiple fronts in the future. So its better to squash this now or it will continue. We seen what appeasement does in 2014 and in the past.

[+] buzz -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the easy way was Russia not invading and genociding Ukraine. And the same people telling you not to care about Ukraine are the same ones preventing you from getting universal healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

passing tax cuts for the 1% costing trillions: I sleep

Aid to Ukraine costing billions: real shit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry but you are foolish. Your peaceful wonderland bullshit is just going to lead to a another great war. You don't see how our people benefit from denying a geopolitical rival to limited resources. You think if Russia had a larger supply of natural gas, oil, and food production they wouldn't exploit those around them. Yeah the Military Industrial complex does benefit from this but you are acting like Russia is innocent on this shit. They are actively in this war and started it. You can bitch and whine about how the west has interfered in Ukraine but that doesn't give a sovereign nation a right to invade another country.

Like holy shit your fucking bullshit logic would have meant the US had a right to invade Mexico in 1917 with the Zimmermann Telegram. We already see the signs of China testing the waters with Taiwan. You don't see how this war in Ukraine can possibly dissuade a more impactful war when all our electronics are basically made in Taiwan. Appeasement isn't going to help here and letting Russia take Ukraine shouldn't be on your table. They will continue, they have done this so many times now.

We don't have to act like its either we get healthcare for all or support the war with Ukraine. This is some broken ass logic. You are acting like its choice when no it is infact not a fucking choice. We have internal pressures from the for profit medical industries that are pushing against universal healthcare, it has nothing to do with the MIC