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Tories heading for landslide election defeat, says Britain’s top pollster
(www.independent.co.uk)
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So, the first government I really remember was Blair's Labour. At the time, I was against a lot of what they did from a left and liberal POV. I won't go through the list because we all know it and I'm still against all of it!
Having now lived through a Tory government, I can categorically say that Labour are infinitely superior to the Conservatives in every respect. Labour would never have given us Brexit, as just one example. Under Labour we're going to get green investment, planning reform, investment in schools. It's going to get better and it's worth fighting for.
I’m sorry, but you’re not seeing the bigger picture. We have massive, structural problems that are inevitably leading towards a crisis the likes of which we have never seen. Climate change, massive inequality, a surge of far-right sentiment.
Labour isn’t going to improve any of those things enough to matter. They’ll do little more than pay lip service to them while they continue the conservatives campaign of looting the country and funnelling wealth to those who are already wealthy.
The amount of suffering that the labour government presides over is going to be unparalleled and they will do almost nothing to stop it because ultimately they still want to build a world for money, and not a world for people.
You have NO reason to believe that labour would make any of these things really better. Look at anything they come out with. They always share the least inspirational, most vaguely worded aphoristic minimal policies possible. They rule out pretty much anything that would be bold enough to actually be effective.
We need something more than labour if we’re going to prevent massive suffering. And this incoming labour government will almost indefinitely lead to fascism as a result.
I can't really reply to this because it's a howl of despair, leavened with cliches. I feel for you, man, but there's no actual content here. All I can say is that every leftwing government in history had to listen to this stuff, but very nearly all of them then went on to make things significantly better for people. That's my reason for thinking that Labour will be better.
Labour isn’t left wing, they’re neo-liberal. They are center-right at best. Come on, man. I’m not howling with despair, I’m trying to explain the problems. If you’re not reasonable enough to engage with my points then there’s no point in having the conversation.
Labour aren’t going to take enough action on the things that really matter. They’re honest enough to tell you that. Are they going to hugely increase funding for the NHS? They already told us that they’re not going to, they’re going to increase funding a little bit, but focus on “””efficiency”””. Are they going to stop fossil fuel subsidies? They already said no. Are they going to increase renewable subsidies to be equal to or more than fossil fuel subsidies? Nope. Are they going to institute a wealth tax, something which was described as a “no-brainer” by economics researchers? No. They completely ruled it out.
Labour aren’t the good guys anymore, man. They’re not as evil as Tories, they’re better than the Tories no doubt, but they’re not going to save us.
Again, this is nothing but noise. 'If you ignore everything Labour are going to do, they're going to do nothing!' Huh. No kidding?