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Help me with an email provider! (lemmy.nerdcore.social)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Hello, I've been looking into email providers. I'm not an activist, just a regular user concerned over privacy.

I used CTemplar in the past until it shut down. Had a cockli email and although it isn't Google the privacy isn't stellar either. I tried to get into Proton, but being unable to use Thunderbird on he free plan was a massive turn-off for me since I like switching easily between different accounts.

After a bit of searching the following came across for me as the best services: [free] Autistici, PARANOID, Disroot. [paid] Posteo, Elude.

Assuming I theoretically got invites for all the free services (they're all reliant on manual approvation), which one would you recommend?

@edit: After reading a bit on the free services, I decided that I will choose them in a Disroot > Autisci > PARANOID order of priority,

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what the official advice is but, I've been pretty happy with Proton Mail. They have a free and several tiers of paid options.

I missed the line about proton. I've seen others be successful with thunderbird but idk there may be some breaking things going on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Can't sign up to their services completely anonymous, if you try to sign up using Tor/VPN it requires SMS confirmation, a previous email (and they block temp addresses) or a donation. Suspicious. There's also some iffy stuff on how they encrypt your emails.

Also, in their old ToS (pre-2022 update):

we have access to the following email metadata: sender and recipient email addresses, the IP address incoming messages originated from, message subject, and message sent and received times. [...] We also have access to the following records of account activity: number of messages sent, amount of storage space used, total number of messages, last login time.

And where this data goes?

When a ProtonMail account is closed, data is immediately deleted from production servers. Active accounts will have data retained indefinitely. Deleted emails are also permanently deleted from production servers. Deleted data may be retained in our backups for up to 14 days.

Sure, this was an old ToS. New ToS:

We employ a local installation of self-developed analytics tools. Analytics are anonymized whenever possible and stored locally (and not on the cloud).

Still unremovable telemetry not totally anonymized. Now they aren't even clear on what those analytics are, aside from:

Our overriding policy is to collect as little user information (personal data included) as possible to ensure a private user experience when using the Services. We do not have the technical means to access the content of your encrypted emails, files, and calendar events.

Yeah, can assume they're collecting the same things as before.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ugh I didn't know it went that direction so fast. Thanks for this.