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Just buy one share and attend as a shareholder
As per the 1st sentence of the article, it's less about being there but about asking questions:
So even when supporting Shell and buying shares to attend, there won't be a press conference with questions and answers.
Shareholders can ask questions at shareholders meetings
This is article is not about a shareholder meeting though. It's naming the annual and quarterly financial presentations.
Yeah, I've read a bit more on it, and it's not good. The regulations haven't been changed since 1985, they need to be reformed with more power given to individuals.
Problem is most people buy shares from intermediaries where you don't actually get registered as a shareholder with the company.
Realistically though they will only address the questions from the biggest shareholders.
Yep
https://www.cityam.com/shells-refusal-to-answer-questions-is-an-affront-to-ordinary-shareholders/
βWhat about the droid attack on the Wookies?β
And instantly create a conflict of interest that undermines your reporting.
Shell's currently trading at 60 bucks; that's not much of a COI.
But what about when the share price reaches $6 1? Then you've made a whole dollar. Who knows? You could make $2.
It's not a conflict of interest to report on something you have a financial stake in? Just because the stock is at $60 doesn't mean you wouldn't profit if it went to $80.
Such a small amount of money is easily explainable in the journalistic report. In fact, I did so right now. "In order to gain access to this event and be allowed the provelidge to ask follow up questions, this reporter was forced to buy one stock of Shell at $60 a share. I did my best to not let this influence my journalism in any way."
It's proper that a journalist should put a disclaimer in their article, stating the conflict of interest. That does not mean the conflict of interest is suddenly done away with - it's still there.
Having a conflict of interest also doesn't mean the person cannot be trusted. However buying shares in the company you're reporting on would be introducing a significant doubt that isn't really worth the minimal benefits they'd get from attending shareholder meetings.
My guy buying one share of a company to gain access to a stockholder only event is not a conflict of interest. Think about it critically for any length of time and you'll realize this.
Mate, it's called a conflict of interest. By owning a share in the company, you have an interest in the company's success, and therefore an inherent bias in any reporting you do. You might not act on that bias, but it's still there - and most importantly for journalists it's perceptible to any and every reader.
I'm sure most journalists would not let it influence them. However the issue is it affects the quality of their writing towards their audience. It's not about whether or not they will act on their bias, but their appearance of bias.
Ultimately, it's just not worth the hassle. Otherwise we would already have journalists doing this - just because Shell are no longer letting journalists into shareholder meetings doesn't mean it's a new thing.
You're not arguing against me thinking this isn't a good idea, you're arguing against the entire journalism industry thinking that.
Itβs not a conflict of interest if you buy a share as part of the investigation, literally I have no clue how to tell you this in any other way. If you need to own a share to ask questions, it is only proper to buy a share and ask the questions. You are the reason journalism is dying.
The reason you buy it does not matter. Owning a share in a business you're reporting on is a de facto conflict of interest. You merely saying it isn't does not make your statement true. Coming up with excuses for why it was bought doesn't either. A good journalist will at least still declare their conflicts of interest, but that declaration does not dispell it.
You are being an ass.
No, at $60 itβs not a conflict of interest. $60 is negligible.
Unless their stock price drops to $0 or doubles it is not even $60 but just a small fraction of that.
Oh please.. pennies⦠less than pennies in this context.
Not if it's 60 bucks and was specifically bought to be able to participate and report, come on.
If only reporters had some way of telling readers about their potential conflicts of interest. Like, I don't know, telling readers you had to buy shares to participate and report on it? But that just seems to crazy to exist....
I didn't say it would invalidate their reporting, but even with a disclaimer the conflict of interest is still there and still undermines the article. A report without the conflict of interest is always better.
Is that really worth it, just to go to their shareholder meeting and try to turn it into a mini press conference? I think most professional journalists would say no.
I mean, I'm sure they've thought about this with regards to these other companies, yet we don't have journalists buying shares to report on them. Maybe I've not hit the nail with their exact reasoning, but whatever their reasoning is no one in the industry seems to think it's a good idea.