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[–] TheDemonBuer 3 points 1 year ago (26 children)

This is the part I have a problem with:

Gender is a category assigned by the individual

Gender isn't assigned by the individual. Gender is assigned by parents, doctors, the community, and society broadly. Gender is an inherently social construction. Some people have misconstrued this to mean that gender is an individual construction. It is not. How you see yourself is only part what makes you, you. You are also defined by how others see you. I understand that some people don't identify with the gender that has been assigned to them, and thus want to change their gender assignment, and I empathize with those people, but whether or not they are able to do this is at least partially out of their control. Just because you see yourself a certain way, doesn't mean others will see you that way, and, again we are defined not only by how we perceive ourselves, but how others perceive us.

[–] Jables 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You're thinking in the right direction, but you're not quite there. Yes, gender gets assigned at birth as your biological phenotype (because the overwhelming majority of humans identify as cis gender). Humans become individuals and eventually realize that maybe their assigned gender does not fit them. At this point it becomes their own choice and it overrides any gender assignment given at birth. Depending on the individual, gender changes from something that's assigned to something you assign yourself.

[–] TheDemonBuer -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At this point it becomes their own choice and it overrides any gender assignment given at birth.

That's not true. Your gender assignment is defined by how others treat you, how they interact with you, and that's not completely under the individual's control. You can't choose how other people view you, at least not entirely.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's a pretty absurd notion.

Let's do a mental exercise based on your assertion:

You identify as a man. You were born a man and have always outwardly displayed masculine characteristics. You are in a room with 100 people, and they collectively decide against your will that you are a masculine female and treat you as such.

Are you now a girl because the collective has decided that? Or are you still a man because that's what you have always identified as?

Before you say "100 people does not make a society," the number of people who decide that is irrelevant. Additionally, the reason 'why' they decide you are female is also, according to your logic, irrelevant. It just matters that they all agree.

You still think that gender is imposed on you by society?

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