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We’ve spent Trillions to counter Russia overvthe decades.
To support Ukraine in a proxy war that weakens, destabilizes or destroys Russia where no American soldiers die and we get to test out our arsenal in a real world scenario is a worthwhile investment not to mention the moral and humanitarian aspect.
Do we have problems at home? Yes but that’s never been a good enough reason to reduce military spending.
I do think the military budget is out of control and more money should be appropriated to the issues that matter like healthcare but at this moment in time we should absolutely continue to support Ukraine.
We are the world leaders and other countries follow. We can’t let our support erode. We can’t let Russia win this one.
Not a fan of Team America world police but crippling Russia with a small percentage of our defense budget is a pretty good deal in geopolitics.
This isn't team America world police. This is team America, international arms dealer.
Which may or may not be better, depending on your outlook.
I mean, there would be easily enough money to both have the best military and the best public healthcare system in the world. The key is to tax the rich 0.1% properly.
You guys already pay more than you'd need for healthcare, by far. The problem is all that money is going into pockets rather than...well... actual healthcare. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spending-global-perspective/index.html
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/03/u-s-pays-more-for-health-care-with-worse-population-health-outcomes/
I am sorry, but this makes me puke.
The Americans sure are dominant in the world, no doubt about that. But miss me with this sanctimonious crap.
But they are the world leaders because they take the initiative. Saying this as a European, the EU grew way too complacent in matters of defence and relies way too heavily on the US for safety.
It's something we can change, but don't be surprised if the US fills that vacuum in the meantime.
You took that in a broader sense. What I specifically meant by that was noone would provide Ukraine with tanks unless the U.S. offered them first.
Your problem isn't even that the military budget is out of control (alhough accounting could be better), but a lot of this budget is only "military" by designation used to keep US jobs.
But "We spend much on our strong military" is much better politically than "We have to spend much to subsidize industrial jobs". And they can even recoup some of the costs by exports then.
If you are actually looking for problems... look at the industrial part, not the military part of the US' MIC.