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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

German

Quoth ยง166 StGB, "Revilement of religious faiths and religious and ideological communities":

  1. Whoever publicly or by disseminating content (section 11 (3)) reviles the religion or ideology of others in a manner suited to causing a disturbance of the public peace incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years or a fine.

  2. Whoever publicly or by disseminating content (section 11 (3)) reviles a church or other religious or ideological community in Germany or its institutions or customs in a manner suited to causing a disturbance of the public peace incurs the same penalty.

...we already have that law. Have had for ages, AFAIK it was introduced after the 30 ~~day~~year war to make sure Lutherans and Catholics stopped with the incitement.

(side note: "ideological community" isn't a good translation, the original says Weltanschauung. Think Humanism, Stoicism, and the like, philosophies dealing with subject matters also close to the heart of religions).

Which then leads to things like the Catholic Church complaining about a pig nailed to a cross in he leaflet of one of WIZO's albums (a punk band), which led to them not lifting a finger and trying to fight it -- they could've easily won if they had given a damn. Thing is having a big "censored by decision of court on request of the Catholic Church" censor bar slapped over it is a much more punk artistic statement than the pig on the cross itself.

Then there was that guy who printed "The Quran, the holy Quran" on toilet paper and sent rolls to mosques and TV stations. That's not ridicule and not mere adverse opinion, that's revilement, an important distinction.

The Churches themselves don't really ever get in trouble based on that paragraph -- that's because they have had plenty of time to learn their lesson and get used to toning it down: Lutherans did not cease to call Catholics idolaters because they changed their doctrine, or because Catholics ceased to pray to beings that are not gods (such as Mary), but because it's inciting. If they were to start saying things like "Atheists are inherently immoral and vicious" they'd get in trouble, fast (though that's incitement of the people not reviling of a world-view, couldn't think of a proper example right now).

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But it taught me that there was indedd a 30 days war. Thanks for that!