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We set up a bridge between the Lemmy.world General Matrix room and the Public-1 channel on the Lemmy World discord server yesterday. It's not perfect as emoji reactions aren't visible and some minor things like how it handles edited messages but other than that it seems to be working well.
Now people on both chat clients can interact with eachother!
Use it for what ?
Not the same thing, I would use both anyway.
Especially for a company or a public project, you want your content indexed and keep the control. If you don't open a subreddit or sublemmy someone would do it.
For a chat, not the same thing. You want a discord to speak to your users, and a selfhosted matrix to manage your employees and private stuff
The reason people use Lemmy is because Reddit has a monopoly and does stupid things. How confident can we be that Discord won't do this? I'm sure they will because they are a for-profit company. So why don't we start from a platform that power belongs to the user? It is also tragicomic that a platform like Lemmy.world does this.
For your argument; I don't agree. I think Matrix has sufficient features for this job.
It has the features (not sure about that), but it has not the users...
I agree with you but it's just not how it works. Or else nobody would be using mac os or google products.
Also currently, almost nobody want/can/care about selfhosting.
There are definitely pros/cons. I'm not a FOSS monster. I would just expect a platform whose reason for existence is big corps to be more devoted in this regard.
How are we not devoted? We are devoted to our users, not to the FOSS only mantra. I see you run your own instance, I suggest you run that one the way you want it and we'll do our thing here.
You're right, manage it however you want.
He said confidently, without any real experience to back this up
I've been using it for 2 months for both private and group chats.
As a user or as an admin ?
Why should a random admin be more trusted than discord ? (malicious, security, data leaks etc)
Matrix has E2E encrypted chats with user controlled keys and open clients.
Discord doesn't, at all, any of that.
Why should a random admin who can't read your chats, be more trusted than a corporation which logs them all?... well, for starters they can't read, modify, datamine, profile, or leak, what they don't have π€·
They could use a corrupted version...
Also the risk of data loss, system failure, lack of maintenance...
If you host your own shit then yes go matrix why not.
If not discord is still better. Maybe one day they'il do shit, at this time this is not the case
This is why I asked "why don't just use Reddit" in the first place.
While Reddit worked seamlessly for more than 15 years, it turned to shit within 1 year. The worst part is that we cannot easily switch to a different platform because Reddit is mainstream, and the alternatives are not appealing enough because there are not enough people. Isn't it possible that we will experience the same thing with Discord?
Also, I really respect Lemmy.world's decision. It's not my job to interfere in internal affairs because I'm not a user or admin here. I just wanted to express my opinion, after all, that's what the comment field is for, right? But not again, I will not comment on instance meta communities, as it supposed to be :)
Discord already "shares" data with third parties (has been doing it for years), has full control over your client, and doesn't need to "corrupt" anything to already have access to read, erase, and modify everything.
Matrix servers can't access encrypted content, no matter how "corrupted" they are. Data loss is on the user, you can keep a backup of anything... or not, your choice. System failure and lack of maintenance, are mitigated by identity servers being separate from the chat relay servers.
If you want to trade privacy, message integrity, and user non-supplantation, for some more system stability, then sure, go ahead and use Discord, WhatsApp, Messenger, or whatever (...actually, WhatsApp is slightly more secure than Discord).
It really depends of your activity.
If your country is dangerous or there is any kind of risk with what you do (journalist etc...) then I totally agree with you.
If it's for a gaming community that just need to spam memes and a vocal channel, then you won't convince anyone with these arguments because most people simply don't care.
In this case there seem to be three activities: general chat, official announcements, and attack coordination.
The first makes sense to use the most popular option, the second benefits from source confirmed identities and decentralization, the third benefits from everyone's confirmed identitites and decentralized encrypted chats.
In either case, no technical aspect makes Discord "better" (who cares if the "spam memes and vocal channel" fails and burns), at most the ability to send invite links to private channels without having to set up a bot, makes Discord a "calculated risk".
How kind of you to speak for everyone!
I'm not speaking for everyone. I'm just expressing myself.
Isn't that a fact?