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Positively surprised to see effective measures, like avoid flying and meat.
IIRC Switzerland also has quite an exemplary carbon pricing scheme. I'm totally unaware how much flights and meat are encompassed. The general point I'm trying to make: It's probably hard to say wether people changed their habits due to FFF, or due to policy changes. Of course, FFF likely influenced policy changes.
Either way, thanks for the uplifting news :)
Now I'm waiting for the more serious news how Swiss companies have changed their business practices ;)
No we don't
Care to elaborate? I like the dividend part about the tax and dividend scheme.
If it were exemplary, our greenhouse gas emissions would go down like Prigozhin's aeroplane. They don't. Just like every other country we're pretending to do something about the climate crisis but it's too little, too late.
If you mean we're better at it than say the US or other major powers then yes, but that's not because we're doing well, it's because we're doing less catastrophically terrible than them.
Ah yes, I'm totally with you. Maybe I was too enthusiastic in my wording.
I meant I like the tax & dividend implementation, with the attempt to make the tax progressive, so it does not burden the poor, but the rich.
Like all other carbon pricing schemes, the amount is way too low to have an effect quick and strong enough, that's true.
There are no policies really affecting the choice to fly or eat meat.
The exemption from fuel taxes is a policy affecting air travel. Also, policies affecting competing modes of transportation.
Similarly, meat isn't priced according to it's true cost, which can be seen as a subsidy.
From my point of view, everything (including the two) should be included in carbon pricing, to prevent a distorted market.
Yeah I agree, what I meant is that as a Swiss citizen there are really no policies driving you towards producing less carbon. Or if there are you do not really notice them in your day to day life. So I am pretty sure the people did this on their own accord.