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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@li10 @aelwero (do we not have long term data on use of nicotine by inhalation? )

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not exclusively. Nicotine inhalation traditionally has been in combination with the rest of the chemicals and tar in cigarettes.

Personally... yes? I know some vapers who have been around in the industry for almost 20 years. I've heard reports around x-rays of older vapers coming out nearly the same as a nonsmoker.

The real enemy of nicotine inhalation seems to have more to do with what carries it rather than the nicotine itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are absolutely cardiovascular impacts of chronic nicotine use that are independent of any lung issues you'd have from inhalation. That would be true of any drug, and we're well acquainted with the dangers of PAD and increased heart attack and strokes from nicotine use. It's a vasoconstrictor so that makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@roguetrick @thehatfox @aelwero @li10 @BlinkerFluid

Well, Peripheral arterial disease isn't, i think, from vasospasm.
And the effects you point to seem to be acute, rather than chronic.

The magnitude and frequency of effects are significant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

@roguetrick @thehatfox @aelwero @li10 @BlinkerFluid
If I were looking for subtle trouble, I'd look at the brain, which might be influenced in its development by a psychoactive chemical in childhood.
And at the wetware that runs on it.
Not at the chassis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That was a fun read. How does it pertain to inhalation of nicotine via propelyne glycol and vegetable glycerin?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I actually thought I deleted this comment since I realized I didn't really know what I was talking about. But since it's here, and you took the time to read it; The question that went through my mind is "okay, I know that there's more to vaping/smoking than just nicotine, but what about chewing tabbaco? Isn't that nicotine that harms you without the additives from smoking/vaping?

I started with that article, but got lazy and didn't want to look into it further. Sorry for the confusion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Chewing tobacco would also contain the carcinogens of tobacco resting in your mouth, causing cancer generally wherever it sits. The tobacco is still the delivery system for the nicotine. In the case of some snus, some are tobacco free, and are simply nicotine pouches that have soaked flavor and nicotine into them. Nicotine, like caffeine, vanillin, THC, can be extracted into its pure form from tobacco, removed from tobacco entirely and delivered in safer methods. This is the mindset behind vaping.