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“We’re seeing this expansion of margin under the cover of, ‘Oh, it’s a general inflation problem, we can’t help it,’ Paul Donovan of UBS said Thursday.

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[–] yenahmik 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In real terms the $25 post inflation is the same value as the $20 was pre inflation.

Look at it another way. You are a worker bee who makes $20 an hour. If inflation is 25%, your employer should give you a raise to $25 an hour to maintain your compensation at the same level. If they do not, they have effectively given you a pay cut.

[–] itsjustallergies 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That just sounds like a profit circle-jerk, imo.

Widget Inc. is inflating their prices. Inflation doesn't happen in a vacuum, right? Corporations are the one's inflating the prices. So, they also have to increase their profits to match their own inflationary actions?

Net profit is net profit, and we are seeing corporations' nets soar far higher than inflation rates. I don't see how increasing their profits is necessary just because their own inflated prices deem it.

Reminds me of this Woody Woodpecker episode

[–] yenahmik 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corporations don't cause inflation. Inflation is a society wide phenomenon, largely due to long-term monetary policy (i.e. the fact that the money machine spent much of the last 20 years pumping money into the economy for bottom of the barrel interest rates).

And yes it can create a spiral where corporations preemptively raise prices because they anticipate inflation to impact their cost of doing business, thus causing more inflation.

[–] itsjustallergies 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that monetary policy can be a driving factor, but so can many other factors. Demand increased during the pandemic as supply dropped. Also, cost-pushes seemed to be a big driver in the current cycle, mixed with rising wages. It's reductive to say that inflation is caused by monetary policy, especially considering the current inflation is worldwide with very different monetary policies among the different countries effected.

However, all of it comes down to an effort to increase profits. Whether it's pulled by demand, pushed by costs, monetary policy, rising wages - the inflated prices all happen because profits can be increased for corporations at that moment. Corporations are not increasing prices solely to cover higher costs for materials and/or labor. If they were, margins would remain the same. The margins are increasing rapidly.

Lots of factors drive inflation, but prices increase because corporations want to increase profit margins.

[–] yenahmik 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we probably agree more than you would assume. My initial point was simply to be skeptical of any article that uses straight dollar amounts when reporting record profits. Yes it can be a sign of greedy corporations price gouging, but isn't necessarily. Just because you or I assume it is likely to be corporate greed, it's important to avoid confirming your biases with incomplete data.

You point it out yourself, the actual indicator of corporations taking advantage of the situation is the profit margin, not the pure dollar increase.

[–] itsjustallergies 1 points 1 year ago

the actual indicator of corporations taking advantage of the situation is the profit margin, not the pure dollar increase

Agreed. Profit margins are a much better indicator of how much corporations are taking advantage of the situation