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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

somebody is lying or omitting information, with war comes propaganda

[–] jungle 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm always baffled by the prevalent idea that the Russian population is influenced by propaganda while in the west we aren't. Truth is the first casualty of war, for all sides.

The same absurd thinking can be seen in political discussion. Each side is convinced the other side is deluded and lives in a bubble of fake news. Like their side isn't.

[–] anewbeginning 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You want to compare Freedom of information in the west vs Russia?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In a war setting? Of course.

Propaganda has always and will always outpaced whatever protections freedom of information has. Those freedoms only really hold in peacetime.

[–] jungle 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You mean like what Trump supporters consume? And Fox, MSNBC, and all the other "news" outlets? How is that freedom working for the people in the land of the free?

There may be differences in the scale of bias and propaganda, but nobody should live under the illusion that they have access to unbiased news.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You are still drawing an equivalence between availability of information in America compared to Russia, implying they are equal. They are not and what you are doing is disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many Western journalists are on the ground in Ukraine right now?

Ukraine has a very strong incentive to distribute misinformation... War morale and public support is essential to Ukraine's defence.

[–] NOT_RICK 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think there aren’t journalists in Ukraine? Nolan Peterson, Sarah Rainsford, Lynsey Addario. I can go on

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

How many haven't been told by their respective government office to keep morale high in their reporting?

[–] jungle -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe try reading the second paragraph in my reply. You may find that I do recognize that there are differences.

But if you think the availability of information you enjoy gives you some kind of special insight into what's happening in the war... I don't know what to tell you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe I did read your second paragraph before I even posted my comment. Maybe I decided it was a very weak attempt to "both sides" your bad take with some very milquetoast centrism.

[–] jungle -2 points 1 year ago

Ah, so I have to take sides and join you in believing everything I'm fed through the news? No thanks.