New Communities
A place to post new communities all over Lemmy for discovery and promotion.
Rules
The rules for behavior are a straight carry over of Mastodon.World's rules. You can click the link but we've reposted them here in brief, as a guideline. We will continue to use the Mastodon.World rules as the master list. Over all, be nice to each other and remember this isn't a community built around debate. For the rules about formatting your posts, scroll down to number 2.
1. Follow the rules of Mastodon.world, which can be found here.
A. Provide an inclusive and supportive environment. This means if it isn't rulebreaking and we can't be supportive to them then we probably shouldn't engage.
B. No illegal content.
C. Use content warnings where appropriate. This means mark your submissions NSFW if need be.
D. No uncivil behavior. This includes, but is not limited to: Name Calling; Bullying; Trolling; Disruptive Commenting; or Personal Criticisms.
E. No Harrassment. As an example in relation to Transgender people this includes, deadnaming, misgendering, and promotion of conversion therapy. Similarly Misogyny, Misandry, and Racism are also banned here.
2. Include a community title and description in your post title. - A following example of this would be New Communities - A place to post new communities all over Lemmy for discovery and promotion.
3. Follow the formatting. - The formatting as included below is important for people getting universal links across Lemmy as easily as possible.
Formatting
Please include this following format in your post:
[link text](/c/[email protected])
This provides a link that should work across instances, but in some cases it won't
You should also include either:
or instance.com/c/community
FAQ:
Q: Why do I get a 404?
A: At least one user in an instance needs to search for a community before it gets fetched. Searching for the community will bring it into the instance and it will fetch a few of the most recent posts without comments. If a user is subscribed to a community, then all of the future posts and interactions are now in-sync.
Q: When I try to create a post, the circle just spins forever. Why is that?
A: This is a current known issue with large communities. Sometimes it does get posted, but just continues spinning, but sometimes it doesn't get posted and continues spinning. If it doesn't actually get posted, the best thing to do is try later. However, only some people seem to be having this problem at the moment.
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How leftist is the group? Further than liberal?
neoliberalism is a conservative philosophy which seeks to perpetuate an unjust and unsustainable capitalist hegemony.
So too far for me. Thanks ๐
good luck
ps: you may be an anarchist
It's not actually that crazy, it's just that all these words like "liberalism" are thrown around in an utterly meaningless way.
The pillars of liberal philosophy are (1) fundamental rights are inviolable by the state (2) the right to privately own property that is exchanged through markets (3) egalitarian democracy (one vote per person) (4) the rule of law cannot be ignored and due process must be pursued.
People on the left see these as the policy points "conservatives" obsess over in their rhetoric, so they call it conservative politics. Entirely ignoring the fact that conservatives throughout history care little about fundamental rights, egalitarianism, or rule of law... Ignoring the fact that the original "right" opposed a "left" that WERE the liberals, when liberalism was the new progressive politic.
Socialism is a quite different thing from liberalism. Both liberalism and socialism are opposed by conservatives (the right), but liberalism and socialism have some serious, fundamental tensions and reasonable people may argue they are fundamentally incompatible. I personally think they mostly are, though tools from each are going to be part of making a more just world.
To be clear, neoliberalism differs from classical liberalism (the french revolution kind) in that it tries to fundamentally associate these values with a free market capitalist system.
I am not the one who substituted neoliberalism for liberalism. Take it up with them and don't be an asshole.
Your second pillar makes clear that you do not distinguish.
Does it now?
Explain to me what version of liberalism does not include property rights and markets to exchange that property.
The other guy waved his hands and cast all of liberalism into neoliberalism. I didn't. I pointed out the word was being abused, and I did so correctly and with context. And you're calling it "incoherent". Stop being an asshole.
Hey thanks for the explanation. I really appreciate it
It's also not some all or nothing divide like some socialists try to make it out to be, there's a huge spectrum of opinions between "totally free market" and "totally socialized command economy". The vast majority of liberals/progressives support a mixed market, where the damage markets can do is kept in check by strong regulation, and there's a robust safety net to catch people who fall through the cracks.
the actual criticism by those on the left is that private ownership of the means of production necessitates an inequitable heirarchical relationship between an ownership class and the working class.
this relationship is enforced by the state, which is essentially an abstraction of capital, by inflicting violence in order to protect the interest of the capital owning class.
neoliberalism is conservative in that it functions to conserve this status quo, offering incremental material improvement as a social pressure-release valve, but liberal democracy can not deliver liberation to the working class because of its primary function of enforcing private capital.
most liberals don't consider neoliberalism conservative because the coloqial usage in US contemporary politics is referring to the reactionary position of the christo-fascist right.
even internationally, the divide between left-wing and right-wing is rarely "do they believe in completely abolishing private ownership"
because the contemporary political "left" is populated by self-congratulatory neoliberals whos politics are defined entirely on the proximity relative to the reactionary position.
I have to strongly disagree here. Human nature results in inequitable hierarchical relationships between upper and lower classes-- not just between the rich and poor, but between the dominant racial / ethnic group and minorities, between men and women, between cis heterosexual people and queer people. No matter what kind of economic system we use, assholes are going to try to game it to cement themselves and their cronies in power, and the out groups they hate at the bottom. It happens in capitalist systems just as often as it happens in communist systems.
The only way to counter it is by building safeguards that prevent people from accumulating too much power, and prevents those who do have power from abusing the power they have. (That's why I'm personally skeptical of anarchism; removing all safeguards that prevent power-hungry people from consolidating power is deeply concerning to me.)
True. The state is also the abstraction of minority groups, inflicting "violence" in order to protect minorities from having our rights trampled by the majority (although I'd personally go with "arresting fascist motherfuckers"). It's both at the same time, because in a democracy the state is a giant organization made up of thousands of legislators and literally millions of bureaucrats. Oh, and they're all divided into dozens of factions with completely different goals that are at each other's throats all the damn time. Attributing one set of motives to such a diverse group of people doesn't really ring true to me. Especially when you'd need literally millions of people to be in on this evil plot for it to work.
When my grandmother was my age, here in the US she couldn't legally open a bank account, divorce her husband, or pursue charges against him if he r*ped her. Jim Crow was a thing, and gay marriage was illegal in all 50 states. Liberal democracy has already delivered liberation to us-- except I don't like that passive voice, we the people fought for a better world, and thanks to millions of people's hard work and sacrifice, we won. There are still huge problems, don't get me wrong, and there's a huge amount of work left to be done. But I can't help but look back at the legacy of my ancestors and feel inspired, energized to take up the fight and keep working for a better world.
Definitely true, but even in Western European countries true Reagan / Thatcher style neoliberals are considered center-right, and "neoliberals" in the modern Democratic party sense are considered center-left. (For what it's worth, the Dems are actually a bit to the left of most major Western European center-left parties on social issues, most notably trans rights!)
Sorry to write such a wall of text, I just feel really passionately about this kind of stuff, lol. Feel free to ignore this post if you don't feel like a political debate ATM (which is totally valid, please don't feel bad if you aren't feeling it).
I'm not even going to read this. The differences between these ideologies have litigated and re-litigated continuously for the past century. Whether you agree with them or not, you have to recognize at some point that some people have a slightly different perspective and you don't have to word vomit every time that comes up.
I love when a long comment starts with a clear indication that we should skip it.
You should read this: https://effectiviology.com/appeal-to-nature-fallacy/
I enjoyed the read.
Not everyone has the context and understanding you do (knowing I should obviously take anything said with a grain of salt on any social media).
Regardless where opinion and fact are blurred, I appreciate you sharing your passion and opinion even if it doesn't fall in line with what everyone may say here.
Heh. This conversation reminds me of that classic Saturday Night Live episode, the Gay Communist Gun Club one.
goes looking for transcript
https://snltranscripts.jt.org/88/88cgunclub.phtml/
It's probably a good idea to cast a wider net but I'm not mod or anything. In the US the term "liberal" is used to just mean "leftist" in most everyday conversation. People aware of actual meanings might get annoyed but no one seems pay attention to those people.