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A UK Member of Parliament recently suggested that there should be a Government minister for men which would presumably do similar things to the existsing minister for Women.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/reactions-pour-in-as-mp-renews-calls-for-official-minister-for-men-356501/

This has thrown up a series of heated discussions on social media about whether this is part of the 'backlash' against feminsm, or whether there is a legitimate need for wider support of men's issues.

As a man who believes that there are legitimate issues disproportionately affecting men which should be addressed, what I really want help in understanding is the opinion that men don't need any targetted support.

I don't want to start a big argument, but I do want to understand this perspective, because I have struggled to understand it before and I don't like feeling like I'm missing something.

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[–] NOT_RICK 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dunno what you’re doing in the bathroom but I’m certainly not looking at other people’s genitals. I don’t really see a problem with a bathroom for all genders. There’s nothing stopping creeps from going into the opposite gender’s bathroom with ill intent in current state other than a sign on the door

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We have a difference of values here. You should be asking a different question, how much do you adjust to someone with different values. You do not have a problem with single gender bathrooms, but some do. Leave it there and quit asking why, there is no answer you will accept anyway, and no particular reason to conclude your values are better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We have a difference of values here. You should be asking a different question, how much do you adjust to someone with different values.

Hold on while I hoist this giant mirror up, maybe you can read your own words back to yourself that way

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ask that of myself constantly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

oh good, for a minute I thought you were saying you were against neutral bathrooms, because "values" are frequently hidden behind to justify being against progress

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Leave it there and quit asking why,

No. Asking 'why' is a fundamental part of the process. If there is a genuine reason behind it, fair enough. If it's a thinly veiled attempt at racism/sexism/etc, do you really want to treat that with any legitimacy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What bathroom should someone born with both parts use?