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I have been to 100% vegan campuses (as a visiting chef for special events) and let me tell you, the Acadmics may want this but the students DO NOT. I say this with love (I have a bbq joint with many, many vegan options because all are welcome), and the stories I encountered were amazing on the creativity the students would do to get meats. Some students didn't even realize the campus was vegan (7th day adventist) and met with the chef to complain months after the start of classes not knowing rhe "bacon" wasn't just "weird tasting" it wasn't bacon.
Berlin has one or two vegan university canteens I think and they're not unpopular.
That's not my point at all. University is for inclusion.
That is why students choose to have their campus vegan because plant based food is the most inclusive.
This statement is categorically incorrect, and it is obvious you have never worked with a diverse student body. I have, with over 7 years experience in my own account and working with other schools. Students are at best contrarian to rules, at worst absolutely obstinate trolls. Let me spell this out: excluding animal protein is not inclusive.
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant when I have already posted plenty of examples where students choose to fight and vote for a plant based cafeteria. Its very simple: everyone can eat plants, nobody needs animal based products. With a limited numbers of menus plant based food is the most inclusive. Special taste preferences can be accommodated at home.
E: https://feddit.de/comment/2695679
"exclusion of one group is more inclusive " "anecdotal evidence is irrelevant compared to my cherry picked articles "
lol just because you made a word salad doesn't make your vegan point
People who eat animal products are not excluded if there is none. Do you only ever eat meat and have nothing to eat if its not a dead animal?
How hard is it for you to understand that nobody is excluded for not serving what their little meatflake brain desires?
I honestly don't think you understand what that word means.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/exclusion
The activity is being served a meal, not being served a meal with the ingredients you want. It looks like you're intentionally driving the conversation toward a useless semantics debate. Nobody's left out from a cafeteria serving plant-based food only.
I agree that the other person and I are going round and round... which is useless. Although I understand the point that everyone can derive protein from plant based diets, to be fully inclusive all diets must be considered. anecdotally I had a student who for allergy reasons he could only eat 5 items, one of which was grilled chicken (salt was ok, no pepper, no oil). I am fully on the side of inclusive diets, and although I may get attacked for defending animal protein on a vegan platform (I am not trolling) I have many happy vegan regulars who know that I prepare good, honest vegan dishes without prejudice (unlike the typical Ramsey style vegan hating ranting chef). All this to wrap up my original point: when dealing with students in a diverse environment they often will say one thing while acting completely opposite!
At least you admitted your biases. Unfortunately I just dont have the same confidence you have that you really have your finger on the average college students pulse. And in the end the point you made was extremely trivial: sometimes kids say one thing and do another.
So tell me, which group is excluded? Religious carnivores? Or is it only you starting to cry if no chicken died for your tendies?
With all due respect, this doesn't happen in Germany.
Please do elaborate, I really am interested in ewhat the differences are!
The blatant mislabelling doesn't occur here, I think. A plant-based bacon might be called "vegan bacon", but not just bacon.