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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I'm not a programmer, but why is Java so high up? Are that many devices still running it?

[–] Solemarc 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I think it's a mix of three things.

  1. Java is the only programming language to get popular as a result of marketing. Java was marketed so hard that the company who built it (Sun) went under, but Java did get some really wide adoption.

  2. Java is the backbone of Android. If you want to build apps for Android you're using Java or one of the languages built on top of it (Kotlin, Scala, etc).

  3. It's pretty hard to justify rewriting your codebase to another language. So Java is still around. If you need more proof of this, Most people are still using Java 8 (including android) we are currently at ~java 20.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Clarification:

Very few android jobs are Java anymore. Native android is almost exclusively Kotlin, barring legacy code.

This is because Kotlin has nearly full interop with Java code and integrates into Gradle well. You can just swap over to Kotlin dev with a small investment of a few weeks learning curve, then program faster and cleaner than Java.

Android is currently on Java 17 for what it's worth, though very few codebases have gone through the process of upgrading to 17/Kotlin 1.9/Gradle 8.1

[–] Solemarc 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh, I thought the android stack was basically hard stuck at Java 8 and that's why Kotlin still supports Java 8.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nah we were stuck for years but then they migrated to 11 and now 17.

...I just ran the migrations so I'd know.

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